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Polaris's consumption was more complicated than fabrication process. GDDR5 uses up a good portion. NVidia was using GDDR5x which cuts that by 40%. 1060 has only 128-bit and sheds a significant amount of cores, it's near the same consumption as 1070.
1060 192bit
1070/80 256bit 980/70/770/680/...
470/80 256bit 380/285/...
980Ti/Titan 384bit
280x/7970 384bit
290/390 512bit
Fury 4096bit
post #412 of 435
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People are not switching to lower cards simply due to kindness in the heart for AMD.
They do because they're desperate. Which doesn't make Fury cards any better by any means.
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We were to talk about Vega and not how AMD is doomed because there is no competition to Nvidia with the 1080/70. They already clarified before the 480 launch that they are not targeting high end.

Really ? We're not supposed to mention 1070/1080 unless it's you talking about that few percent of systems that are rendered either troubled by or unusable due to dpc latency,which you automatically translate to "whole pascal lineup is unusable" lachen.gif
For a person that has had gtx 1080 for 2 months and played 200hrs is just funny how commited you are to your misconception.
1. If you do want to know the true extent of the failure of Pascal, you only need to look at Geforce forums which linked in an earlier thread with top 4 threads with users facing stuttering, hitching etc. Whats funny is that they all start with or include something as " I was an AMD user in the past". This only leads me to believe one thing and that is that long term NVIDIA users may have been conditioned to feel as if the stuttering they see is normal. Whereas, AMD users can spot the difference within seconds. Ditto with gimping the color palette.
2. You able to play 200 hours means absolutely nothing when there are 10 more who say they are not satisfied with Pascal. It could also be that you are purposely trying to cover the issue like you did a few posts back with "1070 does not need to prove its worth". LOL.
post #413 of 435
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Originally Posted by SpeedyVT View Post

Polaris's consumption was more complicated than fabrication process. GDDR5 uses up a good portion. NVidia was using GDDR5x which cuts that by 40%. 1060 has only 128-bit and sheds a significant amount of cores, it's near the same consumption as 1070.

1070 has 256-bit DDR5 and 150W TDP while having 1.5x the performance of rx480.
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they all start with or include something as " I was an AMD user in the past".

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or maybe it's just you trolling. it's not very likely but it's possible. the extent to which you're deluding youself with things like "NVIDIA users may have been conditioned to feel as if the stuttering they see is normal" or "Objectively compared to the current Pascal lineup, a used core2Duo is better at delivering what a video card is supposed to" I don't know where the line for you is anymore.
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It could also be that you are purposely trying to cover the issue
I've posted in dpc latency thread since like day one, including idle/light load/gaming load graphs for every driver since the first one for Pascal.
You're throwing snowballs at the sun dude.

"200hrs played means nothing, you've still got a piece of crap gpu" seems like emotionally you belong more to a kindergarten than here. that's the sort of point a six year old would use.

edit: I just realized, maybe that pretentious baby in the photo actually IS you. biggrin.gif
Edited by Klocek001 - 8/25/16 at 7:51am
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They already clarified before the 480 launch that they cannot targeting high end.

FTFY
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/04/amd-polaris-will-be-a-mainstream-gpu/
Humor me more though:D
post #415 of 435
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1. If you do want to know the true extent of the failure of Pascal, you only need to look at Geforce forums which linked in an earlier thread with top 4 threads with users facing stuttering, hitching etc. Whats funny is that they all start with or include something as " I was an AMD user in the past". This only leads me to believe one thing and that is that long term NVIDIA users may have been conditioned to feel as if the stuttering they see is normal. Whereas, AMD users can spot the difference within seconds. Ditto with gimping the color palette.
2. You able to play 200 hours means absolutely nothing when there are 10 more who say they are not satisfied with Pascal. It could also be that you are purposely trying to cover the issue like you did a few posts back with "1070 does not need to prove its worth". LOL.
I am finding new and new people that have various issues on reddit/Nvidia, many are not even aware of the NV driver DPC issue but when investigated the issues they have do correlate with the DPC issue and their system is indeed affected. Even AdoredTV's system is affected but he doesn't care or doesn't know how to spot it and how a properly running system should behave.

I can alt+tab, load games, do what the heck I want and hammer the GPU in the meantime and my graphics driver sits at 16.8us last time I verified and checked for that alt+tab nonsense AdoredTV was throwing around. With max for me being network driver at 168us.
Meanwhile the person I was troubleshooting with has 1080 that goes into thousands of microseconds just loading a game and has stutter in games.

You should be able to ALT+TAB, load games and all that without any graphical glitches like AdoredTV had in his video and still have below 50us graphics driver latency. I would consider up to 250us max acceptable but not above for any driver.

Transistor wise AMD has about the same efficiency as NV. Problem is NV cut down their architecture to save power where as AMD did not and offers more features and more complex arch. which means more of the chip is used for something else than the raw computation which gives you graphical performance. Down to the electrical stuff I think they are the same, but architecture wise they obviously differ and each went a different path. NV stripped all they could even with Pascal reduced IPC compared to Maxwell to boost the clock speeds. Pascal is nothing more than an updated Maxwell on speed.
Edited by JackCY - 8/25/16 at 7:39am
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I think there are quite a few of us who really don't care much about the efficiency. I would much rather have a 350 watt GTX 1070 that worked right than this 150 watt 1070 that makes me want to

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I think there are quite a few of us who really don't care much about the efficiency. I would much rather have a 350 watt GTX 1070 that worked right than this 150 watt 1070 that makes me want to


can't you return it ?
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can't you return it ?
Not after that murder scene.
 
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1070 has 256-bit DDR5 and 150W TDP while having 1.5x the performance of rx480.

 

The 1060 has a 120W TDP, and guess what, the 1070 also has 1.5x its performance.

 

Both cards are not nearly as efficient as the 1070.

   
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Nope, it has a water block on it. If it had the problem at the start I would have returned it.

It would seem silly to return a card because of bad drivers. The card itself is fine, it's just the software Nvidia has put behind it that sucks.
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