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Exactly. AMD continues to optimize for GCN because they have no choice. heck, one of the new 400 series mobile chips was a gcn 1.0 part, 5 years after it's introduction they are still selling it.

I guarantee that if AMD were to release a new product line not using GCN, they would stop optimizing for GCN within the year, and the internet would go plain rabid over it. People act like nvidia is terrible, but AMD honestly has a worse track record for this kind of thing.

Yep, AMD has done a crappy job with legacy drivers.

It's fortunate in a way AMD has needed to stick to pretty much the same architecture for so long.

They've managed to extract a lot of performance.

The only chip AMD refreshed was Tahiti with Tonga but it obviously didn't have same impact as Kepler to Maxwell.


Edited by Evil Penguin - 8/16/16 at 6:11am
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Exactly. AMD continues to optimize for GCN because they have no choice. heck, one of the new 400 series mobile chips was a gcn 1.0 part, 5 years after it's introduction they are still selling it.


I guarantee that if AMD were to release a new product line not using GCN, they would stop optimizing for GCN within the year, and the internet would go plain rabid over it. People act like nvidia is terrible, but AMD honestly has a worse track record for this kind of thing.
Yep, AMD has done a crappy job with legacy drivers.
It's fortunate in a way AMD has needed to stick to pretty much the same architecture for so long.
They've managed to extract a lot of performance.
The only chip AMD refreshed was Tahiti with Tonga but it obviously didn't have same impact as Kepler to Maxwell.

And Cape Verde with Bonaire. (7770/360 class)

Was actually the first GCN 1.1 chip.
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And Cape Verde with Bonaire. (7770/360 class)

Was actually the first GCN 1.1 chip.

Meh, that one doesn't count. :p

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And Cape Verde with Bonaire. (7770/360 class)

Was actually the first GCN 1.1 chip.
wait the GCN2 werent R7 250 and HD 7790? because no gpu on 7700 series had true audio
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Yep, AMD has done a crappy job with legacy drivers.
It's fortunate in a way AMD has needed to stick to pretty much the same architecture for so long.
They've managed to extract a lot of performance.
The only chip AMD refreshed was Tahiti with Tonga but it obviously didn't have same impact as Kepler to Maxwell.
AMD refreshed almost every GCN1 GPU on 200 series, then in 200 series 265 ,260 and 290/x were refreshed into 300 series

but then gains on GCN1 GPUs slower than 7950 werent that big after 200 series
Edited by PontiacGTX - 8/16/16 at 7:14am
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AMD refreshed almost every GCN1 GPU on 200 series, then in 200 series 265 ,260 and 290/x were refreshed into 300 series

but then gains on GCN1 GPUs slower than 7950 werent that big after 200 series

I'm not talking about re-brands though.

I believe some of the dies may have been tweaked from one gen to another (Hawaii) but that's about it.

Tahiti (GCN 1.0) got phased out by Tonga (GCN 1.2).

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I'm not talking about re-brands though.
I believe some of the dies may have been tweaked from one gen to another (Hawaii) but that's about it.
Tahiti (GCN 1.0) got phased out by Tonga (GCN 1.2).
well most post people refers to refresh to GPUs which keep their old GPUs and improve clock speed like some APUs refresh are rebranded,

but really GCN3rd iteration (Tonga) could have an advantage over Tahiti in asynchronous shader where they improved it a lot
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wait the GCN2 werent R7 250 and HD 7790? because no gpu on 7700 series had true audio
correct. The 7790 was bonnaire, the GCN 1.1 GPU. 7770 and 7750 were GCN 1.0
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GCN 1.1 is probably the best GCN at its time of release vs Nvidia that time. The rest are all junk because Nvida are better lol.
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GCN 1.1 is probably the best GCN at its time of release vs Nvidia that time. The rest are all junk because Nvida are better lol.
GCN is far from junk. Nvidia got the upper hand by porting it's 20nm tech back to 28nm in the form of maxwell. they caught AMD off guard. The fact that hawaii and tahiti stayed relevant for so long is testimate to that.

GCN is good, it's just in dire need of a proper refresh. Which AMD doesnt have the money for.
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GCN is far from junk. Nvidia got the upper hand by porting it's 20nm tech back to 28nm in the form of maxwell. they caught AMD off guard. The fact that hawaii and tahiti stayed relevant for so long is testimate to that.

GCN is good, it's just in dire need of a proper refresh. Which AMD doesnt have the money for.

The problem is, will GCN finally get the boost it needs in time? In polaris we still hadn't see it do enough to show its true potential.
If it will take still another year to show its full potential, nvidia will bring out volta. They are not sitting down planning to let AMD blind side them.

So will AMD bring something neck-in-neck in performance, or they will still sit half a step behind in the next year?

They have a lot riding on both GCN 1.4 and zen.
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