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Holy banana balls, people! Getcher tin foil hats and yrr pitch forks ready! The M$ GUB'MENT is coming fer you and wants access to yer compewter dayter!!

The hyperbole on OCN is real, ya'll. It's like most of you believe we actually live in the world of Jason Bourne or Enemy of the State. It seems like every time there is something related to Microsoft everyone gets bent around the axle and the talk just stinks of some kind of mass surveillance conspiracy. Who cares if Microsoft or Apple or Google or anyone else wants to control updates to your computer and collect legitimate statistics about your system.

What you all should be concerned with is the entirely unlicensed and unrestricted "internet of things" that is trying so very hard to become a household "thing." Smart fridge, smart watch, smart couch, smart toilet, smart coffee maker? Really? You people are whining about a computer operating system but make no mention of the things being pushed into the market that have a level of security my 7 year old could crack and which could be used to spill more PII faster than Niagara Falls spills water.

And honestly if you want to "hide" yourself then you need to disconnect and unplug entirely and go live in the Canadian Yukon or somewhere in northern Siberia.

 

Some of us, like me, live at our computer and not being able to choose which updates are installed and which ones aren't is a major problem because some updates can cause problems. What happens if an update in one of those rollups causes a problem? How do I remove just that one update without removing the entire rollup? Can I even remove the rollup? What if I have to deal with that damn problem until the next Windows Update? That would be absolutely unacceptable.

 

What if Microsoft decides to shove drivers down our throats just like they do in Windows 10?

 

I don't like being forced to do anything on my computer. It's my computer. I want to be in full control of it.

 

Do you want someone to dictate for you how your house is decorated or what kind of furniture you have or other little things like that? No. you want to be the one to choose what's in your house and what isn't. For me, this is the same thing because I live at my computer. This is my house and Microsoft is invading it and trying to tell me that I have no say over what's in it and what's not.

 

Ok, that analogy goes way too far, but it's an exaggeration to drive the point home about just how annoying this is for people like me.

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Some of us, like me, live at our computer and not being able to choose which updates are installed and which ones aren't is a major problem because some updates can cause problems. What happens if an update in one of those rollups causes a problem? How do I remove just that one update without removing the entire rollup? Can I even remove the rollup? What if I have to deal with that damn problem until the next Windows Update? That would be absolutely unacceptable.

What if Microsoft decides to shove drivers down our throats like they do in Windows 10?

I don't like being forced to do anything on my computer. It's my computer. I want to be in full control of it.

Do you want someone to dictate for you how your house is decorated or what kind of furniture you have or other little things like that? No. you want to be the one to choose what's in your house and what isn't. For me, this is the same thing because I live at my computer. This is my house and Microsoft is invading it and trying to tell me that I have no say over what's in it and what's not.

Ok, that analogy goes way too far, but it's an exaggeration to drive the point home about just how annoying this is for people like me.

Some actual counter-points, and good ones at that. Now, how could you actually decide what updates you want and block the ones that might cause problems? That is a question that I don't have an answer to, although I do agree it would be wonderful to have that ability.

However, going back to what I said, the point I'm trying to make is that all too often there are posts and threads about mass surveillance and government conspiracy and all of it needs to stop. To the one guy calling me "ignorant" - I'm hardly ignorant. I have formal education and professional experience over years that spans a majority of the topics discussed in threads like this. I also have common sense and know what's bogus and what isn't thumb.gif
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Some actual counter-points, and good ones at that. Now, how could you actually decide what updates you want and block the ones that might cause problems? That is a question that I don't have an answer to, although I do agree it would be wonderful to have that ability.

However, going back to what I said, the point I'm trying to make is that all too often there are posts and threads about mass surveillance and government conspiracy and that it needs to stop. Also, to the one guy calling me "ignorant" - I'm hardly ignorant. I have formal education and professional experience over years that spans a majority of the topics discussed in threads like this. I also have common sense and know what's bogus and what isn't thumb.gif
Well then what about some test, block off the telemtry with registry tweaks and hosts file then log the network traffic. I did it once and i didnt liked what i saw, from there its not a bugos rumor but a fact. It is sending data despite the i said no. And the worst thing is that no one knows exactly what is sent aside from MS. And seeing their tactics lately id say they cant be trusted.
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Some actual counter-points, and good ones at that. Now, how could you actually decide what updates you want and block the ones that might cause problems? That is a question that I don't have an answer to, although I do agree it would be wonderful to have that ability.

However, going back to what I said, the point I'm trying to make is that all too often there are posts and threads about mass surveillance and government conspiracy and all of it needs to stop. To the one guy calling me "ignorant" - I'm hardly ignorant. I have formal education and professional experience over years that spans a majority of the topics discussed in threads like this. I also have common sense and know what's bogus and what isn't thumb.gif

 

Yeah, I did kinda drift far away from what you were really getting at. I guess I'm more sore at Microsoft about this than I thought. lol

 

Yeah, the conspiracy theorist-type of posts do need to stop. I personally think it's obvious that Microsoft is simply doing what they must do because the vast majority of their customers are computer-illiterate people. "Based on your feedback" tells me that the majority of their customers wanted a much easier way to update Windows. Even my own mom hates how she's presented with a list of updates. It confuses her.

 

Microsoft simply needs to keep track of how their customers are using their OS so that they can make it even easier and easier for them. For us, well, yes I know we don't need to be observed. lol We are more than capable of crossing the street by ourselves.

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Holy banana balls, people! Getcher tin foil hats and yrr pitch forks ready! The M$ GUB'MENT is coming fer you and wants access to yer compewter dayter!!

The hyperbole on OCN is real, ya'll. It's like most of you believe we actually live in the world of Jason Bourne or Enemy of the State. It seems like every time there is something related to Microsoft everyone gets bent around the axle and the talk just stinks of some kind of mass surveillance conspiracy. Who cares if Microsoft or Apple or Google or anyone else wants to control updates to your computer and collect legitimate statistics about your system.

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And honestly if you want to "hide" yourself then you need to disconnect and unplug entirely and go live in the Canadian Yukon or somewhere in northern Siberia.

The reaction (and it is mixed) to what MS does is not the equivalent to a movie plot. Posters are merely expressing their concerns and sharing them with others. Keep in mind that the exchange of views is the purpose of a forum. You are mocking the messenger rather than debating your position on the subject.

I agree with your position on IoT when it comes to consumer appliances and products. To date the implementation of IoT has been reckless.

On the other hand, IoT applied appropriately and with full security in mind can be extremely useful in agriculture, resource management, geological and atmospheric monitoring, ranching and law enforcement (especially rescue and recovery missions).
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Yeah, I did kinda drift far away from what you were really getting at. I guess I'm more sore at Microsoft about this than I thought. lol

Yeah, the conspiracy theorist-type of posts do need to stop. I personally think it's obvious that Microsoft is simply doing what they must do because the vast majority of their customers are computer-illiterate people. "Based on your feedback" tells me that the majority of their customers wanted a much easier way to update Windows. Even my own mom hates how she's presented with a list of updates. It confuses her.

Microsoft simply needs to keep track of how their customers are using their OS so that they can make it even easier and easier for them. For us, well, yes I know we don't need to be observed. lol We are more than capable of crossing the street by ourselves.

What if with MS it's a case of "silent majority vs vocal minority" and they ultimately have to please the customer base that is largest? They can't please and cater to every single user and so they have to collect various non-personally identifiable statistics (aka telemetry, in certain use) and then try to cater to it.
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The reaction (and it is mixed) to what MS does is not the equivalent to a movie plot. Posters are merely expressing their concerns and sharing them with others. Keep in mind that the exchange of views is the purpose of a forum. You are mocking the messenger rather than debating your position on the subject.

I agree with your position on IoT when it comes to consumer appliances and products. To date the implementation of IoT has been reckless.

On the other hand, IoT applied appropriately and with full security in mind can be extremely useful in agriculture, resource management, geological and atmospheric monitoring, ranching and law enforcement (especially rescue and recovery missions).

In those areas I think the IoT would be greatly beneficial. Even in the home it could be if it's implemented properly with appropriate checks and balances and of course that applies to the fields you suggested as well.
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Holy banana balls, people! Getcher tin foil hats and yrr pitch forks ready! The M$ GUB'MENT is coming fer you and wants access to yer compewter dayter!!

The hyperbole on OCN is real, ya'll. It's like most of you believe we actually live in the world of Jason Bourne or Enemy of the State. It seems like every time there is something related to Microsoft everyone gets bent around the axle and the talk just stinks of some kind of mass surveillance conspiracy. Who cares if Microsoft or Apple or Google or anyone else wants to control updates to your computer and collect legitimate statistics about your system.

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And honestly if you want to "hide" yourself then you need to disconnect and unplug entirely and go live in the Canadian Yukon or somewhere in northern Siberia.

Good grief! You're just as naïve as Majin!
     
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Good grief! You're just as naïve as Majin!

Yes, yes I am. You are totally right.
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It will have virtually no impact on those users because if you have Automatic Updates enabled and you never look at the list, what do you care if it's installing 2 updates vs 10?
It's not really "penalizing" them. Windows 10's update scheme is still worse, even after this change, so by your logic they're penalizing the people who did upgrade too.

Like I said before, this is a double-edged sword for Windows 7. I don't think 7 users are being penalized.

I think it does, people who didn't upgrade because of privacy and lack of choice with updates are now going to face the same situation with 7 (or they are going to stay with a less safe no longer updated OS), and they missed on the positives of getting win10 for free for that, which are for example DX12 and longer support period.

the fact that these changes to win7 are coming after the free upgrade offer is over, to me it looks like it penalizes win 7 users for not upgrading, it denies them knowing that the update model on win 7 would change before making the choice of not taking the free upgrade, I think it kind of sucks.
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