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Originally Posted by Rocozaur View Post

Actually, you should be worried because of this all-or-nothing approach, especially regarding the security updates.

For us, who are just simple mortals, we get the access to one big bundle of update that contains:
A. Bugfixes
B. Security Fixes
C. Platform Updates [CEIP aka the dreaded "Telemetry" updates. They have smuggled them in the pseudo Service Pack 2, and as such I think there is a chance that they will try to bundle them in the monthly updates]

Let's say for the sake of argument, that each category has 10 Hotfixes.

Now when you are behind WSUS you receive A and C in one bundle, while B gets its own bundle. You still have 10 Hotfixes in there. One of them is KB3177725 or KB3097877. You are now forced to either install the whole security bundle and risk your platform no longer functioning properly, or not install it at all and risk a whole month of being exposed to security threats until the next bundle is pushed. Keep in mind that Microsoft has precedents where the Hotfixes that broke functionality didn't get a proper overhaul or fix for months, and as such if an update similar to KB317725 undergoes the same treatment, your only option to not loose functionality is to continue for months without installing the security bundle. Therefore exposing you to even more security threats.

Whereas today, you can install all the 9 out of 10 patches that solve the security issues while ignoring the hotfix that causes platform instability or worse, a BSOD epidemic. Putting your customers on a "take it or leave it" approach, especially when it comes to security updates is nowhere near making them feel safe or trouble free. It was unacceptable when they did it with the IE 11 patch, it is even more unacceptable when they do it on a whole critical OS level.

Well stated. Hope the pushback on M$ is significant. This cavalier behavior in the pursuit of malvertising revenue should only be rewarded with zero uptake.
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Linux doesn't work for me due to all of the configuration needed for it, but what about MacOSX? Does OSX have the same telemetry communication that Android/Windows 10 has?

Never really did much of an assessment of OSX, but I honestly could just see myself switching to it instead. Slightly better support and a more straightforward API than Linux has. At this point, I could just see myself sticking with an iMac or even a Hackintosh.
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So I'm about to update my PC for the 1st time since GWX and was just looking into what updates I should hide, but am I to just not bother because it is useless unless I want to forgo updates forever?

According to my setupact.log file in C:\Windows\Panther :

2013-04-21 19:57:26, Info [0x0601ce] IBS Setup has started phase 2 at 2013-04-21 19:57:26

And I've never turned on Windows Update since then. Seems to be working fine for me. biggrin.gif

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More importantly, can you selectively remove updates contained within the cumulative updates?

You can't selectively remove updates contained within the convenience rollup, so I doubt you can with these new cumulative updates.
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I found this post with a thread search for the word "driver".

I think that this is what pisses me off the most because if this is to be identical to the way Windows Update works in Windows 10, then that would mean drives will be included...

There are two things that happen in Windows 10:

1) Windows fixes get released as large cumulative updates instead of individually like they have been historically in 7.
2) Drivers get included in Windows update and installed automatically (alongside the other updates).

The change being discussed in this thread appears to only make 7 like 10 in the first way. I hope they don't change it.

By the way, there is a new GP setting in 10 AU that prevents drivers from being included in WU. The bad news is it seems to be bugged and still lets some drivers through anyway.
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I'm a bit conflicted about the whole thing.
On the one hand, it means that "regular" users, those who have no idea what is happening and just run updates when they are available, will get less issues with installing updates. Just install one bundle of update and you are done. This is overall pretty similar to how OSX is having updates.
On the other hand, more advanced users who do care what is being installed, will not be able to pick out certain updates from the bundles, since it is all or nothing, which allows MS to install whatever they want inside.

As others, I have disabled windows updates completely for a while now. Not sure where this is all going to.
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Ain't gaming anytime soon so Linux mint it is.
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ouch this is pretty bad, also it penalizes specially people that didn't use the free upgrade to 10 offer due to concerns with privacy and so on.

I just wish linux was more user friendly (it's a pain to use compared to windows, everything seems to take longer to do), and had way better games support frown.gif
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ouch this is pretty bad, also it penalizes specially people that didn't use the free upgrade to 10 offer due to concerns with privacy and so on.

I just wish linux was more user friendly (it's a pain to use compared to windows, everything seems to take longer to do), and had way better games support frown.gif

 

This could be the catalyst that improves Linux in both ways.

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I'm a bit conflicted about the whole thing.
On the one hand, it means that "regular" users, those who have no idea what is happening and just run updates when they are available, will get less issues with installing updates. Just install one bundle of update and you are done.

It will have virtually no impact on those users because if you have Automatic Updates enabled and you never look at the list, what do you care if it's installing 2 updates vs 10?
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ouch this is pretty bad, also it penalizes specially people that didn't use the free upgrade to 10 offer due to concerns with privacy and so on.

It's not really "penalizing" them. Windows 10's update scheme is still worse, even after this change, so by your logic they're penalizing the people who did upgrade too.

Like I said before, this is a double-edged sword for Windows 7. I don't think 7 users are being penalized.
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