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post #2221 of 3553
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Originally Posted by Karz View Post

Ok let's be perfectly honest here. After testing both mice extensively for the past days, despite shape being personal i can say that:

G403 is superior to G pro in every given aspect. Unless one have very small hands or simply small hands and playing with very low sens, G403 has:

- Far better stability
- Alot easier to aim with
- Just as fast as the G pro, despite being alot larger (which to me was really surprising. It could be due to the worthless skates provided with the G pro though which really slows it down)
-The shape with the narrowed down sides is very evident after a while, that it's simply not good in certain conditions which makes a much more forced aim than with the G403. You will miss vertain shots you normally wouldn't due to this factor alone.

It's beyond me why Logitech decided to angle the sides the way they did instead of keeping it simple like G1 with straight sides or simply a softer incline. Obviously the reason behind it is to keep the buttom of the mouse as small as possible for faster turns but it's beyond me why they diden't follow e.g Abyssus v.1 sollution where they kept the base tiny without impacting the sides at the same time --> http://i66.tinypic.com/2ic1ik5.png

While G pro is good and you can do well, it's not a natural flow when you play with it. Again, for anyone with medium to large hands, G403 is superior. Everything you thought you did well with the G pro, you can do just as good and even better with the G403 and with much less effort in the process. G pro is imo a bit too heavy as well. Such a mouse should not be over 80g, but rather 75. In any case, G pro is indeed good, but not as good as the hype would suggest.

Do you mind if I ask how long you used the g pro? I ask because almost all of your post seems to be your opinion on what works better for you. I also had issues with the stability of the g pro but I no longer accidentally tilt the mouse after a few days of getting used to it.
post #2222 of 3553
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Originally Posted by Fragil1ty View Post

Thanks for the long post dude, I really appreciate it.

Are you saying this from a point of view because you have medium/large hands? Are you saying it because you prefer the G403 vs the G Pro or are you being completely subjective? It's just that personally, I think the G403 is just, it's not too big for me (refer to the images below), but it seems that it's not as comfortable because of the size when compared the Zowie EC2-A.

Images:

http://imgur.com/a/SrvrI

I have fairly large hands yes, but that is not the reason to why i write the way i do. I love small mice and G pro is not small for me using claw grip and it dosen't give me hand pain like FK1 so the size itself has nothing to do with it. Im very flexible regarding shape, and im all about in-game FPS performance, nothing else. I constantly reached higher Accuracy numbers with the G403 compared to G pro in my "mouse" tests i always do when testing new mice. G403 is indeed quite large from a standard size comparison, but if you look at it stricly in terms of performance, aim, and speed alltogether, it's simply superior to G pro.

I wouldn't hesitate to use G pro over G403 if it wasen't for the fact the inclined sides provide disadvantage from a performance perspective (it also dosen't feel natural to hold). Again if one has small hands, obviously G403 is not the best choice, but again i think for example Fk1 in that particular case is better than G pro if we compare small mice against eachother. Again (G403 vs G pro), we are talking small numbers here, but if one plays competitively, those margins do matter. Let's just say you have to work harder to achieve the same result as G403 with the G pro in certain conditions.
Edited by Karz - 9/29/16 at 11:04am
post #2223 of 3553
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Originally Posted by Karz View Post

Ok let's be perfectly honest here. After testing both mice extensively for the past days, despite shape being personal i can say that:

G403 is superior to G pro in every given aspect. Unless one have very small hands or simply small hands and playing with very low sens, G403 has:

- Far better stability
- Alot easier to aim with
- Just as fast as the G pro, despite being alot larger (which to me was really surprising. It could be due to the worthless skates provided with the G pro though which really slows it down)
-The shape with the narrowed down sides is very evident after a while, that it's simply not good in certain conditions which makes a much more forced aim than with the G403. You will miss certain shots you normally wouldn't due to this factor alone.

It's beyond me why Logitech decided to angle the sides the way they did instead of keeping it simple like G1 with straight sides or simply a softer incline. Obviously the reason behind it is to keep the buttom of the mouse as small as possible for faster turns but it's beyond me why they diden't follow e.g Abyssus v.1 sollution where they kept the base tiny without impacting the sides at the same time --> http://i66.tinypic.com/2ic1ik5.png

Shape being personal means you can't make these absolute statements. They are true for you and you only. Others will have their own opinion. I for instance can tell you that I like the sides of the Pro because they make it easier to grip and lift it (for me) than other mice.

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Originally Posted by Karz View Post

Again, for anyone with medium to large hands, G403 is superior. Everything you thought you did well with the G pro, you can do just as good and even better with the G403 and with much less effort in the process. G pro is imo a bit too heavy as well. Such a mouse should not be over 80g, but rather 75. In any case, G pro is indeed good, but not as good as the hype would suggest.

See above. They are different mice. None is superior to the other in absolute terms. Espeacially not since all the measureable absolute factors (i.e. sensor performance) is identical on both mice. All the rest is personal preference.
post #2224 of 3553
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Originally Posted by FatalProximity View Post

Do you mind if I ask how long you used the g pro? I ask because almost all of your post seems to be your opinion on what works better for you. I also had issues with the stability of the g pro but I no longer accidentally tilt the mouse after a few days of getting used to it.

For about 5 days. I'm not the type of guy that needs weeks or months to translate into a new mouse or need more time to make flaws diminish. Ofc everything regarding mouse shapes are personal, there is no denying in that. And again, as i said G pro is good, but not as good as the hype suggested. The inclined sides are bad, there is no denying in that either, and as far as i'm concerned to such degree it's not even debatable. No matter shape, you can always get used to it but in this particular case it provides disadvantage, albeit quite minor.
post #2225 of 3553
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Originally Posted by Karz View Post

I have fairly large hands yes, but that is not the reason to why i write the way i do. I love small mice and G pro is not small for me using claw grip and it dosen't give me hand pain like FK1 so the size itself has nothing to do with it. Im very flexible regarding shape, and im all about in-game FPS performance, nothing else. I constantly reached higher Accuracy numbers with the G403 compared to G pro in my "mouse" tests i always do when testing new mice. G403 is indeed quite large from a standard size comparison, but if you look at it stricly in terms of performance, aim, and speed alltogether, it's simply superior to G pro.

I wouldn't hesitate to use G pro over G403 if it wasen't for the fact the inclined sides provide disadvantage from a performance perspective (it also dosen't feel natural to hold). Again if one has small hands, obviously G403 is not the best choice, but again i think for example Fk1 in that particular case is better than G pro if we compare small mice against eachother. Again (G403 vs G pro), we are talking small numbers here, but if one plays competitively, those margins do matter. Let's just say you have to work harder to achieve the same result as G403 with the G pro in certain conditions.

I highly doubt that you used either mouse for long enough to make these tests of yours very fair. Switching back and forth between the 2 after coming from whatever your older mouse was means you couldn't possibly have developed muscle memory with either of the new ones.

Use 1 mouse for a month, and test at the end of the month. then do the same with the other and now we can maybe have a reasonable debate. All of this is assuming that your "test" is somewhat scientific.

edit: In response to your most recent post, I actually like the slanted sides after getting used to them. It makes it easier for me to lift the mouse and maintain my accuracy when I put it back on the desk. So there you go, it is debatable.
Edited by FatalProximity - 9/29/16 at 11:14am
post #2226 of 3553
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Originally Posted by Karz View Post

Ok let's be perfectly honest here. After testing both mice extensively for the past days, despite shape being personal i can say that:

G403 is superior to G pro in every given aspect. Unless one have very small hands or simply small hands and playing with very low sens, G403 has:

- Far better stability
- Alot easier to aim with
- Just as fast as the G pro, despite being alot larger (which to me was really surprising. It could be due to the worthless skates provided with the G pro though which really slows it down)
-The shape with the narrowed down sides is very evident after a while, that it's simply not good in certain conditions which makes a much more forced aim than with the G403. You will miss certain shots you normally wouldn't due to this factor alone.

It's beyond me why Logitech decided to angle the sides the way they did instead of keeping it simple like G1 with straight sides or simply a softer incline. Obviously the reason behind it is to keep the buttom of the mouse as small as possible for faster turns but it's beyond me why they diden't follow e.g Abyssus v.1 sollution where they kept the base tiny without impacting the sides at the same time --> http://i66.tinypic.com/2ic1ik5.png

While G pro is good and you can do well, it's not a natural flow when you play with it. Again, for anyone with medium to large hands, G403 is superior. Everything you thought you did well with the G pro, you can do just as good and even better with the G403 and with much less effort in the process. G pro is imo a bit too heavy as well. Such a mouse should not be over 80g, but rather 75. In any case, G pro is indeed good, but not as good as the hype would suggest.

all subjective
post #2227 of 3553
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Originally Posted by nyshak View Post

Shape being personal means you can't make these absolute statements. They are true for you and you only. Others will have their own opinion. I for instance can tell you that I like the sides of the Pro because they make it easier to grip and lift it (for me) than other mice.
See above. They are different mice. None is superior to the other in absolute terms. Espeacially not since all the measureable absolute factors (i.e. sensor performance) is identical on both mice. All the rest is personal preference.

I can and i do and i just did. If you don't agree with me, that is fine. Just as you state, everyone will have their opinion and i've stated mine with 17 years of high competitive FPS experience and nearly 60 mice at my disposal. I answered Fragil1ty from my take of the comparison, one can take it or leave it. Tell him why G pro is the best mouse on the market or similar, and he can then make up his mind. The inclined sides of G pro is **** and was taken too far by Logitech "imo", to such extent it came out a bit worse than it should have ("my opinion").
Edited by Karz - 9/29/16 at 11:19am
post #2228 of 3553
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Originally Posted by Karz View Post

Ok let's be perfectly honest here. After testing both mice extensively for the past days, despite shape being personal i can say that:

G403 is superior to G pro in every given aspect. Unless one have very small hands or simply small hands and playing with very low sens, G403 has:

[...]

You are overlooking people using finger-tip grip. Those can have large hands and might still want a small mouse. A large or high butt on a mouse gets in the way when trying to pull the mouse towards you with just the fingers.
post #2229 of 3553
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Originally Posted by deepor View Post

You are overlooking people using finger-tip grip. Those can have large hands and might still want a small mouse. A large or high butt on a mouse gets in the way when trying to pull the mouse towards you with just the fingers.

I agree, my mistake. For fingertip G pro would indeed be good and i actually tried it using fingertip and it felt alot more natural. For claw and palm however, i would not recommend it over other similar mice on the market for reasons stated (again my "opinion" lol smile.gif").
post #2230 of 3553
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Originally Posted by FatalProximity View Post

I highly doubt that you used either mouse for long enough to make these tests of yours very fair. Switching back and forth between the 2 after coming from whatever your older mouse was means you couldn't possibly have developed muscle memory with either of the new ones.

Use 1 mouse for a month, and test at the end of the month. then do the same with the other and now we can maybe have a reasonable debate. All of this is assuming that your "test" is somewhat scientific.

edit: In response to your most recent post, I actually like the slanted sides after getting used to them. It makes it easier for me to lift the mouse and maintain my accuracy when I put it back on the desk. So there you go, it is debatable.

Don't assume things about others adaption to new hardware just because you don't. There is no reason for me to lie, neither is it a reason for you to believe me. Let's leave it at that. Regarding your edit: Thats great, but then again the story dosen't tell at what level you are as a player in order to judge your accuracy. There was never a denial regarding it's lifting potential with the over extended inclined sides, but rather the disadvantage it provides in fast paced scenarios using mainly clawgrip/palmgrip. Again, not to upset certain individuals "my opinion". Don't get me wrong, G pro is great and we are talking margins here, but it dosen't quite live up to the hype and it's not as verstile as previous mice in the G series of the same model "my opinion".
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