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Oops my bad, regarding the cable for Deathadder. Indeed, braided cable is being used for the Deathadder. Still, more zowie mice being used than other mice. Could be the shape that is the main reason. But I would like to think the cable plays a significant part as well. Huano mouse switches used on the zowie mice are horrible though, click latency.. Pre travel distance, etc. That's why I am so excited about the g pro.

The EC has horrible buttons. The FK is decent. The ZA is better.
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Originally Posted by popups View Post

I don't remember ever hearing a pro say they wanted a braided cable and LEDs. Semphis, Nothing, etc, said they didn't want that. Logitech put both on the mouse because the casual crowd / general consumer want it. The majority love RGB LEDs on a mouse, some of those people are fine without having a braid on the cable.


@ 6m31s

https://esports.yahoo.com/semphis-logitech-esports-mouse-070100398.html

Precisely. If it is a mouse purely designed and meant for "pro" use, I think there is still room for improvement. Definitely going to be turning off the LED lights. Lol.
Edited by professorharold - 8/23/16 at 8:16pm
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I am sure that the braided cable is there for QA from Logi. I would think that it helps cut down a lot of RMAs.

I asked before and never got an answer but how does the width of the G Pro compare to an FK1? I really like the width of the FK1 (maybe a tad wider) but the squished center where your fingers go makes it a bit odd to see how they relate.
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I am sure that the braided cable is there for QA from Logi. I would think that it helps cut down a lot of RMAs.

I doubt a nylon braid is going to do much to stop a cable from breaking.

I can see braided cables increasing RMAs because they fray. My G303 was fraying within a week, I sent it back.
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idc if it's braided as long as it is light and flexible.

for instance, i would prefer a braided da cable over a g402 cable. and i think most of you would too

actually, i'm not sure about this but i suspect that a braided da cable is less susceptible to flopping around than an unbraided da cable. the braiding may add some damping, whereas the unbraided cable is kind of like a rubber band.

but no cable is best tongue.gif
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Debraided DA cable is amazing though.
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Debraided DA cable is amazing though.

ANY skinned-cable is quite amazing once you remove that awful braid and expose the essence of a black cable yessir.gif .
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You could make the line even thinner and misplace it even further.

This is more accurate. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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This is random.

No it's not, that is exactly where pressure is applied. Your lines where actually way too low on the shell, pressure with my grip is pretty much more towards the upper line that Melan drew.
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The thing is that the sensor seems even more higher than on the zowie FK. When we do the "in line with the thumb" comparison. Just that the FK kinda forces a grip. With the G1,G100,G3 shape is a complete different thing. The G3 sensor position was very close to perfect (only slightly to low, maybe 1-2mm) But i hate to compage the G1 with the G100 shape anyway. As the g100 shape is to narrow to the front it forces people with fingertip grip to hold it more to the back. The sensor moves up a lot by doing that. The zalman mouse with the g100 style shape has a sensor postion from about 5.3 cm (logitech pro 6.0 cm) and feels much better to me than the g100,g1,g100s aiming wise. It makes for a much better mobility with a not too big degrease in precision. Not saying this is mouse is great. Only been using it for 2 days as i wanted to try the sensor postion (already made my g100s@g303 mod before where i couldnt get much lower than 6 cm like on the new logitech mouse too) But the zalman was just too small for me, just like the G100s.


btw, more about sensor position here. For the people who have missed it:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1522415/the-importance-of-sensor-positioning

Please no, the sensor position importance is highly subjective. As I said before, there is no objectively better sensor position. All it does is increase or decrease the arc length, so in a way saying one position is better than the other is saying 450 CPI is better than 400... Theoretically you could even calculate adjusted sens for different sensor positions.
Of course you might have an acquired preference for a position of a sensor, because that is the arc length you are used to. Everyone kind of pictures the position of the sensor in their hand and if it is off from what you expect it will influence your subjective experience. To me I need the sensor in line with the pressure of my thumb and then I'm fine.

Also the influence of sensor position is much more important for people who pivot from the wrist instead of their arm because the length is different. If you pivot from the wrist with a 65mm sensor position and say the pivot point is 2cm further towards you arm you have an arc length for 90° wrist movement at 133mm, with 10mm higher or lower sensor position you get a length of 149mm or 117mm respectively, which makes for a ~12-13% difference. If you use your arm (like I do) and for simplicity's sake say that increases the distance to the pivot point by 30cm while keeping the rest the same you get differences for the arc length in the range of ~2-3%. And that is with a range for sensor position that is 20mm. Most mice fall in that range.

I'm not saying it isn't important for you, like I said in the thread about sensor positioning, but it is not an objectively ideal measurement.
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well Nilizum said
so that's good enough for me thumb.gif


Nilizum was never sure how it is exactly with this kind of shapes. He even said the ninox aurora sensor position is perfect for him, while it was way to much to the front for me as all time G1,G3.mx300 user. So dont trust him on that.

The G1 or mx300 had a sensor positon about 6 cm measured from the bottom, which was perfect for that shape. The Logitech pro mouse seems to be 6 cm from the bottom aswell. The problem is that it feels smaller/shorter and has too much of an egg shape. So most people will tent to hold it too much in the back as its much wider there. Guess if you manage to hold it so your palm touches the back of the mouse (which is unlikely with fingertip grip) then the sensor postion should be all right.
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No it's not, that is exactly where pressure is applied. Your lines where actually way too low on the shell, pressure with my grip is pretty much more towards the upper line that Melan drew.
Please no, the sensor position importance is highly subjective. As I said before, there is no objectively better sensor position. All it does is increase or decrease the arc length, so in a way saying one position is better than the other is saying 450 CPI is better than 400... Theoretically you could even calculate adjusted sens for different sensor positions.
Of course you might have an acquired preference for a position of a sensor, because that is the arc length you are used to. Everyone kind of pictures the position of the sensor in their hand and if it is off from what you expect it will influence your subjective experience. To me I need the sensor in line with the pressure of my thumb and then I'm fine.

Also the influence of sensor position is much more important for people who pivot from the wrist instead of their arm because the length is different. If you pivot from the wrist with a 65mm sensor position and say the pivot point is 2cm further towards you arm you have an arc length for 90° wrist movement at 133mm, with 10mm higher or lower sensor position you get a length of 149mm or 117mm respectively, which makes for a ~12-13% difference. If you use your arm (like I do) and for simplicity's sake say that increases the distance to the pivot point by 30cm while keeping the rest the same you get differences for the arc length in the range of ~2-3%. And that is with a range for sensor position that is 20mm. Most mice fall in that range.

I'm not saying it isn't important for you, like I said in the thread about sensor positioning, but it is not an objectively ideal measurement.



While i agree with the second part of your post, the thing with the adjusted sens for Y and X is not true. Yes you can do that, but it doesnt help with muscle memory.

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Some people will argue, "Why not just lower sensitivity or heighten sensitivity accordingly?" Again, refer to exhibit F and the notion of consistency present throughout this post. Consistency is what helps your aim feel more natural.

Opening post http://www.overclock.net/t/1522415/the-importance-of-sensor-positioning
Edited by acid_reptile - 8/24/16 at 4:26am
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