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Get an i3. You won't be CPU bottlenecked as much if you drop in a GPU later.

I understand where you are coming from but I will need to purchase a discrete video card if I get an i3 just to play entry level games which will cost me more in the end.
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I understand where you are coming from but I will need to purchase a discrete video card if I get an i3 just to play entry level games which will cost me more in the end.

But an i3 + discrete GPU will give a far better experience than any APU that AMD has to offer.
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Better get titanxp+ 6800 for extreme experience. Logic not even once. thumb.gif
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You can build a fairly cheap system with an AMD APU that can play games such as CS GO, LoL, DOTA 2 etc without breaking bank. You can't do that with an Intel system unless you buy the 5775C APU but that thing costs like $350+ alone.

It will be cheap and performance will be also cheap.
Buying an APU which can only run games at 720p, means that if you are playing at 1080p, it will mostly be unplayable anyway, so you will need to purchase a dGPU anyway.
And in that case, the APU will hinder the system even more with a low performing CPU.

A 50$ dGPU combined with an i3, will make it a whole lot faster and it will be able to run games at 1080p at a much more enjoyable way.
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My disappointment is the obvious lack of unlocked Carrizo desktop processors for FM2+ they've got two Athlon but no unlocked.

Where's the HBM1 APUs?
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AMD does have a roadmap etched out for the next generation of Zen architecture, which will hopefully yield higher % improvement across the board.



"By 2017 AMD plans to introduce what it described as a High Performance Computing APU or HPC for short. This APU will carry a sizable TDP between 200 and 300 watts. This sort of APU, AMD expects, will excel in HPC applications. Similarly powerful APUs were not attempted up to this point because they were simply not viable due to the amount of memory bandwidth required to keep such a powerful APU fed. Thankfully however stacked HBM ( High Bandwidth Memory ) will make such designs not only possible but extremely effective as well. As the second generation of HBM is 9 times faster than GDDR5 memory and a whopping 128 times faster than DDR3 memory." - Source: http://wccftech.com/amd-gpu-apu-roadmaps-2015-2020-emerge/


"AMD will release considerably more advanced “Raven Ridge” APU in 2017, according to AMD’s roadmap, which was revealed by BenchLife. Nothing particular is known about the chip right now, except the fact that it will be based on “Zen” micro-architecture and will thus offer considerably – by around 40 percent – higher performance compared to existing APUs at the same clock-rates." - Source: http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/amd-raven-ridge-mainstream-apu-with-zen-cores-due-in-2017/


AMD’s CEO told investors during an earnings call that Zen CPUs may be available in limited quantities towards the end of 2016, with a full rollout scheduled for early 2017.
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Dualcore in 2017? Lol.

Seems like cheating. smile.gif

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My disappointment is the obvious lack of unlocked Carrizo desktop processors for FM2+ they've got two Athlon but no unlocked.

Where's the HBM1 APUs?
Anandtech tried to OC their carrizo chip, and found that it quickly degraded when they did so, to the point that even stock clock were iffy. I dont think carrizo has much left in it for OC, AMD is already pushing them too far.

And those HBM1 APUs wont come out until zen is here. So next year at the earliest.
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Anandtech tried to OC their carrizo chip, and found that it quickly degraded when they did so, to the point that even stock clock were iffy. I dont think carrizo has much left in it for OC, AMD is already pushing them too far.

And those HBM1 APUs wont come out until zen is here. So next year at the earliest.

 

That sounds like first-class bollocks.

 

Got a link to the actual article?

   
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That sounds like first-class bollocks.

Got a link to the actual article?
Ask and ye shall receive.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10436/amd-carrizo-tested-generational-deep-dive-athlon-x4-845/24

"At 110 MHz, or 3.8 GHz for a measly 10% overclock, more CPU tests passed but still the GPU tests were failing"

3.8 GHz is the stock boost clock for that athlon.

Full quote of the OC part here:

">>Insert Failure Here<<

To avoid confusion, I meant to put 'Insert Failure Here' at this point. It was a failure.

To go into a bit of my overclocking history, I’ve participated in local and global overclocking contests with a modicum of success, at one point reaching #2 in the world (if only for 36 hours or so) and coming runner-up in a couple of contests. It was my major hobby for a good period as a post-graduate, trying to extract the last bit of performance on a system that only needed to be stable enough to run the benchmark. But here, the Athlon X4 845 was not playing ball.

Going up in stages, overclocking to 120 MHz (35*120 = 4.2 GHz) went reasonably well, if only because voltage was being pumped in at a good rate and temperatures were approaching the high 80s. The memory was being adjusted accordingly to keep it around 2133 MHz. Moving higher than this was tough while still being reasonable with temperature - 121 MHz seemed to be a limit that passed the overclocking tests, but when I went for a benchmark run, it spectacularly failed during the benchmark script several times, even when the voltage was pumped up more.

I dialed the frequency back to 115, to see if it was just something odd, and the CPU also failed at this frequency, even though it had been stable before. I played around the voltage, both using what had passed at that level before and some more to ensure stability, but the gaming benchmarks were failing and a number of the CPU tests didn’t want to output results (or reasonable results). At 110 MHz, or 3.8 GHz for a measly 10% overclock, more CPU tests passed but still the GPU tests were failing.

So despite the stock frequency being absolutely fine, our CPU sample is pretty much a dud for overclocking. I really wanted to have a good 4 GHz stable to do some comparisons and scaling, but nothing really wanted to play ball for more than a few basic benchmarks."

So yeah. AMD is already pushing carrizo near the breaking point. There just isnt much headroom left in it. Which is odd, since previous kaveri designs could hit 4.2 GHz out of the box.
Edited by GamerusMaximus - 8/17/16 at 7:15am
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