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You want a pony too while you're at it?

It isn't outside the realm of possibility. From the Q2 earning conference:

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Okay, well maybe just one final one then. When we get into the server CPU cycle with Zen, should we expect any kind of contribution from an APU format with CPU plus Vega, because we are seeing a lot of acceleration now in the data center? Do you think that could be a key product for you guys, which maybe your competitors may not have, bringing an AP into the server market for high performance servers?

Lisa T. Su - President, CEO & Non-Independent Director

Yeah, I think it's fair to say that we do believe we can combine a high performance CPU with the high performance GPU. As we look at our GPU compute in general, both professional graphics and server markets for GPU, I think that will increasingly become an area of focus for us, as we continue to grow the graphics business. So I think the answer is yes. I mean, obviously it will come in time, but it's an area where combining the two technologies makes a lot of sense.
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We haven't heard anything about HSA and HUMA in a while, I'm wondering whether this is being implemented in their server chips.

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You can't ignore the price of the total build. Let's look at typical low budget builds. Both of these have boards capable of overclocking the respective processor. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD A10-7860k 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($104.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus A88X-PRO ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($116.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: PNY Anarchy 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($38.14 @ Amazon)
Storage: AMD Radeon R3 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.54 @ NCIX US)
Case: Enermax Thorex ATX Mid Tower Case ($28.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Rosewill 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($50.88 @ Amazon)
Total: $399.53
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($99.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($51.74 @ Amazon)
Storage: AMD Radeon R3 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.54 @ NCIX US)
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Case: Enermax Thorex ATX Mid Tower Case ($28.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Rosewill 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $503.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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For these builds, it's 25% more to get the much faster i3 with discreet. That might be worth it or not depending on what games you play or software you use. Having owned both the 860K and the i3-6100, and overclocked the snot out of both, I like the i3 better.

Can definitely do better on the Intel build.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($66.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($72.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: PNY Anarchy 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: AMD Radeon R3 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.54 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 950 75W 2GB Video Card ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax Thorex ATX Mid Tower Case ($28.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Rosewill 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $388.47
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You can't ignore the price of the total build. Let's look at typical low budget builds. Both of these have boards capable of overclocking the respective processor. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD A10-7860k 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($104.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus A88X-PRO ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($116.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: PNY Anarchy 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($38.14 @ Amazon)
Storage: AMD Radeon R3 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.54 @ NCIX US)
Case: Enermax Thorex ATX Mid Tower Case ($28.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Rosewill 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($50.88 @ Amazon)
Total: $399.53
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-19 03:27 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($99.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($51.74 @ Amazon)
Storage: AMD Radeon R3 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.54 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 460 2GB Red Dragon Video Card ($111.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Enermax Thorex ATX Mid Tower Case ($28.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Rosewill 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $503.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-19 03:22 EDT-0400

For these builds, it's 25% more to get the much faster i3 with discreet. That might be worth it or not depending on what games you play or software you use. Having owned both the 860K and the i3-6100, and overclocked the snot out of both, I like the i3 better.

Can definitely do better on the Intel build.


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CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($66.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($72.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: PNY Anarchy 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: AMD Radeon R3 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.54 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 950 75W 2GB Video Card ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax Thorex ATX Mid Tower Case ($28.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Rosewill 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $388.47

Let's see you play any of the latest game on that epic win dual core and come back and tell us the Intel build can do better, not in the least because in GTA V that Intel chip at 4.5Ghz will get the same FPS I get with my 2GHz 15W ULV laptop CPU.

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Again you miss the point, it beats AMD and that's all that matters. Who cares if it costs twice the price, it beats this entry level chip!
Coming up tomorrow, the epic showdown of AMD vs. Intel: The AMD A10-7860K vs. Intel's i7-5960X with SLI GTX 1080's! thumb.gif
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You can't ignore the price of the total build. Let's look at typical low budget builds. Both of these have boards capable of overclocking the respective processor.

For these builds, it's 25% more to get the much faster i3 with discreet. That might be worth it or not depending on what games you play or software you use. Having owned both the 860K and the i3-6100, and overclocked the snot out of both, I like the i3 better.
Unless you're going for every last MHz out of that APU, you don't need a $117 A88X-PRO as part of the build. That's a very nice board, but it's really only necessary if you just have to have that last 100 MHz or so, and best used by people with Athlons and a dGPU. You can get a few hundred extra MHz over stock stable on a board that costs half as much as an A88X-PRO.
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Let's see you play any of the latest game on that epic win dual core and come back and tell us the Intel build can do better, not in the least because in GTA V that Intel chip at 4.5Ghz will get the same FPS I get with my 2GHz 15W ULV laptop CPU.
Yeah, but it's Intel, so it's automatically better. Or so say the multitude of Intel fanbois on OCN. rolleyes.gif
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You can build a fairly cheap system with an AMD APU that can play games such as CS GO, LoL, DOTA 2 etc without breaking bank. You can't do that with an Intel system unless you buy the 5775C APU but that thing costs like $350+ alone.

Or I can buy console for 350$ or less and unless it was xbox one I won't see 720p ever again wink.gif

This tells me everything about how "great" this apu is

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You can build a fairly cheap system with an AMD APU that can play games such as CS GO, LoL, DOTA 2 etc without breaking bank. You can't do that with an Intel system unless you buy the 5775C APU but that thing costs like $350+ alone.

Or I can buy console for 350$ or less and unless it was xbox one I won't see 720p ever again wink.gif

This tells me everything about how "great" this apu is

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It's the worst chip ever, just look at that 7860K get crushed by the more expensive i3-6100. 12 Fps higher minimum, 13 fps higher average and 15 fps higher maximum, what a terrible buy.

 

Edit: I still think the A8-7600 is the better buy.

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This tells me everything about how "great" this apu is

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I don't know what it's telling you, but it looks like to me that the i3-6100 provides roughly 40 percent worse performance at a substantially higher price (Newegg has the 6100 for $124.99 right now, and the 7860K for $109.99).

Compared to the i3, the performance of the APU in WoT is great.
     
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This tells me everything about how "great" this apu is

wot.png
I don't know what it's telling you, but it looks like to me that the i3-6100 provides roughly 40 percent worse performance at a substantially higher price (Newegg has the 6100 for $124.99 right now, and the 7860K for $109.99).

Compared to the i3, the performance of the APU in WoT is great.

It's telling him that Intel are better, no matter what.

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34-53fps at 720p isn't that about Xbox One's performance in most titles?
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