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Apple has been primarily using AMD since 2011 onward. Not only is it cheaper but AMDs arc is better geared for being the jack of all trades. Unless your specifically needing cuda there is no need for a nvidia mobility card on a non-gaming oriented laptop or system. Image quality differences are always going to be on case by case basis honestly...but I myself see no difference between 295X2 and 980 Ti image wise on my Catleap or MultiSync. NV Does use a ton more compression techniques AMD does not so that could be playing a major impact on per-monitor basis some might just not be as noticeable as others unless side-by-side either. Some Nvidia GPU just do not like displaying full color range its not an old wives tale so TwoCables does have basis in fact

Full Color Range was only a issue on HDMI where it defaulted to not using Full (who knows why).

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Battlefield-3-Beta-Performance-Testing-and-Image-Quality-Evaluation-Day-1/Ima

It's been tested who knows how many times as it always get brought up. Texture quality is the exact same, what the default colors are however is different. Pretty well known even from back in the ATi days.
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Your welcome ~to put it bluntly. Nvidia for some reason likes defaulting to RGB 16-235 instead of 0-255

 

But there's also the somewhat washed-out look in games, and also at the desktop. The Limited range vs. the Full range is for videos.

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Full Color Range was only a issue on HDMI where it defaulted to not using Full (who knows why).

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Battlefield-3-Beta-Performance-Testing-and-Image-Quality-Evaluation-Day-1/Ima

It's been tested who knows how many times as it always get brought up. Texture quality is the exact same, what the default colors are however is different. Pretty well known even from back in the ATi days.

 

No, it always defaults to 'Limited 16-255'. That's the way it is. It's been happening to me for as long as I can remember and I've never had HDMI. The default setting is 16-255.

 

Every single time I start clean and install the NVIDIA driver, one of the things I always like to do is go to 'Adjust video color settings", choose "With NVIDIA settings", and when I do this I ALWAYS have to choose Full instead of Limited. It has NEVER been 'Full' by default. Ever.


Edited by TwoCables - 8/16/16 at 11:59pm
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post #14 of 77
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But there's also the somewhat washed-out look in games, and also at the desktop. The Limited range vs. the Full range is for videos.

Incorrect that's not for just videos actually.



It's under the Display Tab and not the video tab.

If you run DVI, the Dynamic Range setting doesn't exist.
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Then we're talking about two different parts of the NVIDIA Control Panel (obviously).

 

This is getting a little ridiculous though, so I'm done here. You are bound and determined to tell everyone they're wrong every chance you get, and I'm not interested in playing that game. So, I'll just wait for 'espn' to reply.

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post #16 of 77
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Full Color Range was only a issue on HDMI where it defaulted to not using Full (who knows why).

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Battlefield-3-Beta-Performance-Testing-and-Image-Quality-Evaluation-Day-1/Ima

It's been tested who knows how many times as it always get brought up. Texture quality is the exact same, what the default colors are however is different. Pretty well known even from back in the ATi days.

It could be something later corrected and why we arent seeing it with our maxwell cards or latest drivers, but there was infact an issue for a period. With different rendering methods though nobody should expect 1:1 true thats what monitor calibration is for.
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But there's also the somewhat washed-out look in games, and also at the desktop. The Limited range vs. the Full range is for videos.

Limited vs. Full still hurts contrast ratios and depth of color, honestly could be Nvidias compression methods too no clue just observation and obtained information but inability to produce pure whites or blacks can help towards that effect ide imagine. AMD was just more pure in processing methods

If your trying to kill wash out and are using HDMI... try setting it to YCbCr444
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I should probably say again here that I was talking about "Adjust video color settings". Up until I upgraded a couple of days ago from my old Samsung 2253BW to the 24" Acer Predator XB1, I didn't know that the 'Change resolution' page has an "Output dynamic range" drop-down menu. If I had known about that, then I never would have argued about it because this is the first time I've ever seen it. So up until you made it clear what you're talking about, I only knew of ONE place where we can find "Limited 16-255" and "Full 0-255", and that's on the "Adjust video color settings" page.

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I should probably say again here that I was talking about "Adjust video color settings". Up until I upgraded a couple of days ago from my old Samsung 2253BW to the 24" Acer Predator XB1, I didn't know that the 'Change resolution' page has an "Output dynamic range" drop-down menu. If I had known about that, then I never would have argued about it because this is the first time I've ever seen it. So up until you made it clear what you're talking about, I only knew of ONE place where we can find "Limited 16-255" and "Full 0-255", and that's on the "Adjust video color settings" page.


Ah its part of being human and part Nvidia not explaining any of it fully and hiding the fix away. No worries I on my end assumed there was only the actual RGB settings in resolution tab (I dont have it since I use DVI)
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Ah its part of being human and part Nvidia not explaining any of it fully and hiding the fix away. No worries I on my end assumed there was only the actual RGB settings in resolution tab (I dont have it since I use DVI)

 

See, and I was using DVI for my Samsung 2253BW. With my 24" Acer Predator XB1, I'm using DisplayPort and this is the very first time that I have actually seen the "Output dynamic range" option. I'm sure I would've found it though if it defaulted to Limited because damn, it looks like crap. lol

 

Thank you again, Stockings.

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You're going by 1 random guy's post, and we don't know anything about his credibility, expertise, knowledge level, etc. I'm going by my experience and by the experience I have seen several others post during my time here on OCN.

I personally had an R9 290 and compared to my GTX 780, it had a brighter and more distinct image quality. Even during my motherboard's POST, the text was brighter and whiter. At the desktop, the contrast was better. It wasn't as washed-out looking or however you want to describe it. Colors were better. However, I had to return it because it eventually started showing strange short-length thin green lines at random intervals for just a few milliseconds at a time. I didn't get another because I wanted PhysX support and I busted my butt trying to get one of my many GeForce cards to work with it following the best guides on the internet and the best advice from experts here on OCN. So, I ended up with a GTX 780 and I am actually happier with it even though I miss the superior image quality of the R9 290.

So, no, it's not incorrect. It's my experience, and it matches the experience of a LOT of others here on OCN.

people in my local forum shows similar result pic comparation
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