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Originally Posted by StarGazerLeon View Post

I have no doubt that your 920 at 4.2Ghz is enough to drive a lot of games at 1080p/60, but I do still strongly believe that you would see significant boosts in overall FPS if you paired your 1070 with a faster chip.

The games where my 3770k is not quite enough to keep my 1070 pegged at full utilization are as follows:

BF4 64 player Conquest servers
Battleborn
GTA V SP and MP
DOOM 2016 (bottleneck is greatly reduced while using the Vulkan API, however)

These are the only games I have tested so far; all at 1080p. Obviously the 1070's usage remains at a more consistent 99% while I use 2560x1440 and above via DSR, but I am using 1920x1080 as a baseline.

Maintaining 60+ FPS is great and all, but that does not necessarily mean that there is no situation where your 920 is holding your 1070 back from achieving its maximum performance output.

I am glad that you are happy with the performance you are getting out of your 920, I really am. I am just making the point that your 1070 has a lot of performance to offer at 1080p that your CPU might not be able to keep up with in a few existing and upcoming games.

So what you are saying is that your 3770k is a bottleneck for a 1070? I have a mixture or old and new games. Older titles barely utilise 30% on the GPU same as Crysis 1. So what your saying is that I'm not using 100% so I need to spend more stupid money to downgrade to Skylake?....Only Crysis 3, Titanfall, BC2, Unity and BF4 utilise 100% on my 1070. Please do not spread misinformation around. Your 3770k has more than enough horsepower to push a 1070. The only benefit the OP would get to changing CPU's would be a boost to fps due to architectural changes. Please do not not use the word bottleneck if you do not understand how it works. I noticed about an average of 40% in games moving from a 980x @ 4.5 to 5820k @ 4.5
So if OP is getting 60fps he may jump to 84fps. If he spends $1000 Aussie dollars for 24 fps. Worth it? Not in my country. Maybe in the US.
An Ivy Bridge based dual core @ 3.2GHz will start to show signs of needing an upgrade and that is with a GTX 970. So your 3770k is still fine. OP, keep that beast for a bit. If you feel the need for more fps then find a good deal on a 4790k. But only if your not happy.
Edited by Team Grinder - 8/21/16 at 5:45am
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Can you point out the part of my post that implies I do not understand what bottlenecking is, please?

And no; my 3770k is not enough to make me 100% GPU bound in CPU intensive games. That, by definition, means that my CPU is bottlenecking my 1070, especially at 1080p.
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Can you point out the part of my post that implies I do not understand what bottlenecking is, please?

And no; my 3770k is not enough to make me 100% GPU bound in CPU intensive games. That, by definition, means that my CPU is bottlenecking my 1070, especially at 1080p.

your system specs show you are running a Titan.
and if your 3770k is bottlenecking a GTX 1070 then you have other problems, maybe old driver or corrupted driver install.
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Where is the bottleneck if I can see the GPU is 99% utilized. Please share you knowledge
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Maintaining 60+ FPS is great and all, but that does not necessarily mean that there is no situation where your 920 is holding your 1070 back from achieving its maximum performance output.

I am glad that you are happy with the performance you are getting out of your 920, I really am. I am just making the point that your 1070 has a lot of performance to offer at 1080p that your CPU might not be able to keep up with in a few existing and upcoming games.

Guys, I'm really curious about your performance comparison.
Are you willing to download the PassMark software and benchmark your systems?
The software is free to try for 30 days.

Before you begin go to "File" > "Preferences" > "Computer Name"
1. Test duration - "Medium"
2. Test iterations - 1
3. CPU - Leave the maximum number (default)
3. 3D graphics - "Max refresh rate"
4. Before you run all tests, close all programs that consume any resources.
5. Go to "Tests" > "Run All Tests"
6. Enter your name there. Add prefix ocn_1609011_, so we know what to look for for ourselves and see, if there's significant difference in G2D and G3D results.
7. Go to "Baseline" > "Upload Baseline to Web"

Let us know to take a look.

Also under the "Summary" tab after you complete all tests there will be your summarized test results.
You can do "File" > "Export results as image" and upload here, so we can all see your best results.
post #25 of 43
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- Making sure the card was 99% during BF 4
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

- After running all 18 valley test.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

- Running BF 4 on 2K using DSR.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)



We can see no bottleneck. and I7 920 has never let me down.
Also found youtube video someone overclock i7 920 to 3.5 only and was able to get the card used 99% Link

Show some respect to my i7 920 friend. thumb.gif

Regards.

That is clearly a cpu bottleneck... look at the gpu usage. Just because it may hit 99% here and there doesn't mean the cpu is all fine and dandy. The gpu is not steadily near 99%. In fact if you look, there an awful lot of dips into the 50% range...

Even if you are using DSR @ 2k which I assume you meant to say downsampling from 4k you are still not at a steady usage. This is a clear sign of the gpu not being able to be pushed to it's actual potential.

Here is a better example of it should look when not bottlenecked...



This with polling at 100 and a 1060 core clock, stock volts, and 55% fan speed on a reference 290x. Obviously ignore the bit at the end with me alt tabbing.
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What kind of a clown would Copyright an afterburner screenshot?

And why would you advertise your website on the screenshot? What kind of website do you think this is?
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Where is the bottleneck if I can see the GPU is 99% utilized. Please share you knowledge
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Originally Posted by StarGazerLeon View Post

Maintaining 60+ FPS is great and all, but that does not necessarily mean that there is no situation where your 920 is holding your 1070 back from achieving its maximum performance output.

I am glad that you are happy with the performance you are getting out of your 920, I really am. I am just making the point that your 1070 has a lot of performance to offer at 1080p that your CPU might not be able to keep up with in a few existing and upcoming games.

Guys, I'm really curious about your performance comparison.
Are you willing to download the PassMark software and benchmark your systems?
The software is free to try for 30 days.

Before you begin go to "File" > "Preferences" > "Computer Name"
1. Test duration - "Medium"
2. Test iterations - 1
3. CPU - Leave the maximum number (default)
3. 3D graphics - "Max refresh rate"
4. Before you run all tests, close all programs that consume any resources.
5. Go to "Tests" > "Run All Tests"
6. Enter your name there. Add prefix ocn_1609011_, so we know what to look for for ourselves and see, if there's significant difference in G2D and G3D results.
7. Go to "Baseline" > "Upload Baseline to Web"

Let us know to take a look.

Also under the "Summary" tab after you complete all tests there will be your summarized test results.
You can do "File" > "Export results as image" and upload here, so we can all see your best results.



http://www.passmark.com/baselines/V8/display.php?id=66857216271

I didn't want to kill all my background items, but you get an idea

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What kind of a clown would Copyright an afterburner screenshot?

And why would you advertise your website on the screenshot? What kind of website do you think this is?


I haven't a clue what he is doing.
 
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http://www.passmark.com/baselines/V8/display.php?id=66857216271

I didn't want to kill all my background items, but you get an idea
I haven't a clue what he is doing.

I surely do!
If this benchmark is for real, then your graphics card performs at a bit over 50% of its real CUA (Coefficiency of Useful Action), or otherwise said this motherboard + CPU is slowing the SH-- down of your graphics card! Which sadly is a waste of your money!

Your benchmark shows G3D result of 6339, but the card is rated in top 5 from over 600k cards at 11536 G3D result out of 5044 samples.
So this is a real example of what the folks before me were talking about.

The outdated CPU + Motherboard make the highly priced graphics cards a waste!
post #29 of 43
I have used the 980 Ti briefly in my old system which has an i7 870 @ 4 GHz. In about 85-90% of games I played it offered the same gaming experience as my 5820K. There are many situations where the 5820K pulls ahead by a good amount due to pure CPU limitations, but I didn't come across many of those situations.
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Yeah, some people don't understand how bad they have it until they play on a "bottleneck-free" system and realize what they're missing out on.

Currently there is no a bottleneck-free system.
Try playing an old game and see your GPU usage way down. You might say my fps is enough, but technically it is still a bottleneck.
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I have used the 980 Ti briefly in my old system which has an i7 870 @ 4 GHz. In about 85-90% of games I played it offered the same gaming experience as my 5820K. There are many situations where the 5820K pulls ahead by a good amount due to pure CPU limitations, but I didn't come across many of those situations.
True! You may not feel the difference, because there was no need. But the bottleneck is there.

Thank you for making that clear! cheers.gif

This will be helpful for some of the folks who wonder whether to spent money on an average card that will support their outdated system just fine or to spend money on a high end card, which is not advised unless they're upgrading the whole machine sometime soon and keep the card.
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