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...not sure if you're serious...headscratch.gif


He is.

 

The expression is 'to take with a grain of salt'. Adding more salt makes it mean quite the opposite.

   
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That much salt means that this is really credible. The amount of salt represents credibility.

...not sure if you're serious...headscratch.gif

He actually has a valid point.
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If performance is anywhere close. Don't think this will come cheap.
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What a load of crap

Saw the presentation today, it's real. Maybe on one type of synthetic. The belief is that AMD has better thread technology (thanks to FX) than Intel just doesn't have better single threads. If we turned HT off on Zen and the i7 I'm certain the i7 would win. However having an almost 100% capability on thread performance why would you gimp your AMD with HT turned off?
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I remember when Bulldozer came out, there were some things (very few) it did better than a 2500k, based on multi-threading and perhaps special insruction sets, I can't remember it's been too long now.

Anyway, Zen may very well be faster or equal to Broadwell in this one specific instance, just like Bulldozer vs Sandy was in those 1 or 2 instances.

But we all know how that turned out...
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I remember when Bulldozer came out, there were some things (very few) it did better than a 2500k, based on multi-threading and perhaps special insruction sets, I can't remember it's been too long now.

Anyway, Zen may very well be faster or equal to Broadwell in this one specific instance, just like Bulldozer vs Sandy was in those 1 or 2 instances.

But we all know how that turned out...

Oddly enough there are still a few things Bulldozer is still doing better than the last few generation i7s, not defending AMD. I know their performance in general is subpar, but this is fact. Not all processors are made equal. I think Zen will still be weaker per core performance in an HT disabled environment to the i7 counter part, however with the scalability research done on their FX series and APUs it's quite possible that some of the CMT technology has made it's way into the SMT especially since they did experiment on dual schedulers on the Carrizo chips.
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I don't remember ever getting a confirmation Zen was ever launching in 2016? Early 2017 has been the rumor pretty much since day one.

Lisa Su I believe is who has said on a couple occasions Zen is still on track for a Q4 2016 launch for CPUs, and the APUs have always been expected in early 2017.
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Oddly enough there are still a few things Bulldozer is still doing better than the last few generation i7s, not defending AMD. I know their performance in general is subpar, but this is fact. Not all processors are made equal. I think Zen will still be weaker per core performance in an HT disabled environment to the i7 counter part, however with the scalability research done on their FX series and APUs it's quite possible that some of the CMT technology has made it's way into the SMT especially since they did experiment on dual schedulers on the Carrizo chips.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3109320/components/zen-qa-with-amds-cto-were-bringing-competition-back-to-high-performance-x86.html
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Well, interesting. What you’re seeing with Zen is its versatility. What is Cinebench trying to represent, or the benchmark that we showed today? They show off—we show off a number of multithreaded applications. And you saw that we’ve done a true simultaneous multithreaded implementation. That really helps double the effective cores for those applications.

But we did it—and I mentioned this in the presentation—by increasing the resources in that execution pipeline. So if you are running single-thread, you get the benefit of these additional resources. It’s a versatile core; it’s going to play well to single-threaded and multithreaded applications.

Interestingly enough, this quote implies they would do better relatively in single threaded applications. They have a lot of extra resources dedicated for multithreading, but those same resources can still be used in single threaded scenarios, just not with the same efficiency as full on SMT.
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I remember when Bulldozer came out, there were some things (very few) it did better than a 2500k, based on multi-threading and perhaps special insruction sets, I can't remember it's been too long now.

Anyway, Zen may very well be faster or equal to Broadwell in this one specific instance, just like Bulldozer vs Sandy was in those 1 or 2 instances.

But we all know how that turned out...

Not the same scenario. Bulldozer had "8" cores, running against Intels 4 core 8 threaded processors. Their per core resources were quite different, and the core counts were different.
In this scenario we're talking same configurations and same clock speeds. Blender is also a fairly well rounded application in terms of demand from the CPU, as it tests many different parts of the CPU.

It's as apples to apples as it gets.
Edited by lolerk52 - 8/19/16 at 12:18pm
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In my layman's reading that basically says what we should collectively hope for: that AMD realises moar cores aren't better if the cores suck, but good cores plus moar cores equals good times.

 

IMO this is one of the best effects of bringing in a Jim Keller. Yes, you get access to his expertise and design acumen which are incredibly valuable, but you also get someone in there with the authority to confiscate the research lipstick from the engineers and to send the pig Bulldozer out to its retirement pen. A fresh design has the potential to do quite a bit more than we can extrapolate from the oft-quoted '40% over Excavator'. Sceptics do your thing, but I'm quite keen on Zen's prospects, and why not? I'm not hinging my happiness on what AMD does or doesn't do, and I know that Jim Keller and AMD are capable of something compelling.

     
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