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[AT] AMD Zen Microarchitecture: Dual Schedulers, Micro-Op Cache and Memory Hierarchy Revealed

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Firstly, one of the bigger deviations from previous AMD microarchitecture designs is the presence of a micro-op cache (it might be worth noting that these slides sometimes say op when it means micro-op, creating a little confusion). AMD’s Bulldozer design did not have an operation cache, requiring it to fetch details from other caches to implement frequently used micro-ops. Intel has been implementing a similar arrangement for several generations to great effect (some put it as a major stepping stone for Conroe), so to see one here is quite promising for AMD. We weren’t told the scale or extent of this buffer, and AMD will perhaps give that information in due course.

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This just got posted a few minutes ago. They are comparing Zen with broadwell-e and Skylake 6700K. I'm excited about Zen.
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Finally, hopefully more affordable "5960x"s for everyone.

We've had 4 cores for so long, and the closest cheapest higher core count is something like 5820k for $299 if you were lucky to get it at Microcenter, but 8 cores has always been out of reach.


Hopefully.... it's a little more in reach, around $650ish for zen 8 core?
     
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Looks like no quad channel ram but otherwise a very solid showing from AMD thumb.gif. Sill have to wait for the real reviews but If it has the right support (pcie lanes usb 3.1 etc) I may be on board to replace my ageing system. The other big question will be MB support as talked about here With intel cpus almost always getting more/ better MB's.
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If Zen is as good as Haswell this will be a leap in performance comparable with Intel going from Netburst to Conroe and as Skylake is Haswell with a node shrink and DDR4 these chips will be amazing. Skylake so far has been a disappointment with a regression of performance at times, it's only two advantages are DDR4 and being able to clock higher than Haswell.

 

Of course I did say IF because until we see reviews this is all speculation.

 

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Looks like no quad channel ram but otherwise a very solid showing from AMD thumb.gif. Sill have to wait for the real reviews but If it has the right support (pcie lanes usb 3.1 etc) I may be on board to replace my ageing system. The other big question will be MB support as talked about here With intel cpus almost always getting more/ better MB's.

Quad channel has always been reserved for servers and that includes Intel (X chips are effectively unlocked Xeons sold at outrageous prices).

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Finally, hopefully more affordable "5960x"s for everyone.

We've had 4 cores for so long, and the closest cheapest higher core count is something like 5820k for $299 if you were lucky to get it at Microcenter, but 8 cores has always been out of reach.


Hopefully.... it's a little more in reach, around $650ish for zen 8 core?

I think based on AMD's history, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_FX_microprocessors
an 8 core monster should be ~ $400
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True its more of a personal benchmark than a realistic expatiation. To keep my 64gb way of life quad channel helps keep me from using stupidly dense dims. For normal workloads quad channel is really not going to make any meaningful difference in usable bandwidth over dual.
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I think based on AMD's history, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_FX_microprocessors
an 8 core monster should be ~ $400

If it has the performance to come close to a 5960x, I guarantee you AMD will price it near a 5960x. AMD needs all the financial help they can get.
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If it has the performance to come close to a 5960x, I guarantee you AMD will price it near a 5960x. AMD needs all the financial help they can get.

Agreed its going to depend on where it really sits with the intel lineup. If its faster than a 6700k but slower than a 6900k they are going to price it correctly.
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If it has the performance to come close to a 5960x, I guarantee you AMD will price it near a 5960x. AMD needs all the financial help they can get.

I think I read somewhere that AMD was planning on trying to undercut Intel's mainstream lineup with the first Zen CPUs, that would put the 8 core at $500 max, twice the cores/threads for only ~$100-150 more (compared to an i7), that would be undercutting Intel fairly well while still being able to make a decent profit (I would hope anyways, not sure the price to produce these 8 core variants).
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Originally Posted by Tsumi View Post

If it has the performance to come close to a 5960x, I guarantee you AMD will price it near a 5960x. AMD needs all the financial help they can get.

I can forsee the price been anywhere from $100-300 cheaper the 5960x if performance is equivalent. Though it is true, they could use the financial boost, with a lower price, they would be able to push a lot more units than what Intel is doing, thus giving a similar financial boost.

This is ONLY IF the performance is equivalent though.
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Originally Posted by LeadbyFaith21 View Post

I think I read somewhere that AMD was planning on trying to undercut Intel's mainstream lineup with the first Zen CPUs, that would put the 8 core at $500 max, twice the cores/threads for only ~$100-150 more (compared to an i7), that would be undercutting Intel fairly well while still being able to make a decent profit (I would hope anyways, not sure the price to produce these 8 core variants).

This is even better than what I was thinking, and I hope you are correct.

Honestly, what AMD really needs to do is prove they can compete with Intel in the Big CPU market, and then prove they can sell more of the product than Intel.
     
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