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One could even call it... irresponsible?

tongue.gif You got it that was the correct word to use for the reference!
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Speaking of which, I need to hit up the club this weekend so someone can beat me in the face with their jigglyflops.

Loool are you sure about that? biggrin.gif
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I see some are making the mistake yet again of hyping up AMD products before release to levels that they can never hope to achieve in reality. Granted, AMD are complicit in this act but if Zen really does match Skylake's IPC performance, don't you think AMD would be shouting that from the rooftops? Or at least we would have been given hints as to this performance before today?

We've gone from Zen being under Haswell IPC to matching Skylake. I know the difference between Haswell and Skylake isn't huge either but there is no chance Zen's per core performance is as good as Skylake. AMD can't just pull a rabbit out of a hat.

Also, if AMD say the chips can perform above 3Ghz, read that as 'don't expect much more than around 3.3Ghz stock clocks'. Let's keep expectations in check otherwise this is Bulldozer, Fury X or Polaris all over again.

Why do you think they are being low key? It's because they realize what the hype cost them last time. I think no matter what they are being cautious with their marketing this time.
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Now imagine a 4Ghz Skylake in a laptop.

It's the i7 6820HK.

http://ark.intel.com/products/88969/Intel-Core-i7-6820HK-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_60-GHz

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Overclocking doesn't count, obviously, when comparing to a theoretical stock part.

I'm not comparing it. Even a 2.5 Ghz Skylake will beat 3Ghz Zen no problem.

I just wanted you to imagine how nice it would be. Besides the power consumption.

Made up facts and lies. Alright.

I hear WCCF has an opening btw, if you're interested.

So you are saying 3Ghz Zen is faster than 2.5Ghz Skylake.

I hope you stand by your words when Zen is released.
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So you are saying 3Ghz Zen is faster than 2.5Ghz Skylake.

I hope you stand by your words when Zen is released.

Are you from an alternative universe? Are you there now?
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So you are saying 3Ghz Zen is faster than 2.5Ghz Skylake.

I hope you stand by your words when Zen is released.

Are you from an alternative universe? Are you there now?

Are you sure that Zen is less than 20% behind Skylake in terms of IPC?

That would be about same as Ivy bridge or faster.

If AMD said Zen is 40% faster than Excavator in IPC, I wouldn't expect a 60% actual improvement.
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2.5ghz skylake = 3.08ghz zen in x265 prob
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Pure bullocks! tongue.gif


let's just wait til Zen Comes out and talk about performance differences. Putting up numbers for an unreleased/untested platform is just doh.gif
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RAM speed doesn't matter above a certain threshold, and that threshold depends on the CPU and whether or not the iGPU would be utilized.

In the case of DDR3, 1600 mhz CAS 9 was by far the most common RAM speed for much of the life of DDR3, and CPUs did not show being bottlenecked by that speed outside of a few specific cases until Haswell. Even with Haswell though, much of the bottlenecking was removed by going to the next step up at 1866 mhz CAS 9.

DDR4 is at the beginning of its life cycle with speed varying from 2133 to 3600+ mhz. Haswell-E showed bottlenecking occurring at speeds below 2400 mhz, and Skylake showed bottlenecking in games at speeds below 2800 mhz if I recall correctly. RAM speed not mattering doesn't apply to the new generation yet.

Skylake scales a lot. You should get 3000mhz baseline but there are benefits in quite a few games up to as fast as you can run
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instead of multi quoting:

AMD cannot price zen close to intel no matter how competitive their chips are; they still have a bad reputation left from bulldozer and will need much lower pricing to entice apprehensive buyers (read OEMs).

These aren't mindless gamers and marketing, people buying server CPU's will weight all pro's and cons regardless of amd's "reputation"

but i am talking about "mindless gamers." nice of you to ignore that.

You do realise that ZEN is high end/server only. The 32core ZEN isn't going to gamers, same with the 16 and 8 core. Those are the only known ZEN cpu's. In addition to that I dont think RTG ever lowered the price of their GPU's because of their "reputation"

TL:DR You're not getting cheap CPU's from AMD
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