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People forget that if AMD didn't charge 1k for consumer CPUs, Intel might not have brought Extremes.

Also AMD needs money people! If their 6~8 core CPUs can compete with Intel 6~8 core, I don't see why not in having similar-ish price point.

I would think that at similar performance at a similar price the purchase would go to Intel wouldn't it? If there's no or very little cost saving then you stick with what you know, surely?
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They should pick a middle ground between their previous desperate price dumping and Intel's outrageous prices.
They need to rework their image that only cheapskates buy AMD and that it cost a bit for their hardware because its good

Pretty much. If it matches Broadwell-e, it will most likely be priced accordingly to broadwell-e. All we can do now is wait.
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Looks like no quad channel ram but otherwise a very solid showing from AMD thumb.gif. Sill have to wait for the real reviews but If it has the right support (pcie lanes usb 3.1 etc) I may be on board to replace my ageing system. The other big question will be MB support as talked about here With intel cpus almost always getting more/ better MB's.

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I see some are making the mistake yet again of hyping up AMD products before release to levels that they can never hope to achieve in reality. Granted, AMD are complicit in this act but if Zen really does match Skylake's IPC performance, don't you think AMD would be shouting that from the rooftops? Or at least we would have been given hints as to this performance before today?

We've gone from Zen being under Haswell IPC to matching Skylake. I know the difference between Haswell and Skylake isn't huge either but there is no chance Zen's per core performance is as good as Skylake. AMD can't just pull a rabbit out of a hat.

Also, if AMD say the chips can perform above 3Ghz, read that as 'don't expect much more than around 3.3Ghz stock clocks'. Let's keep expectations in check otherwise this is Bulldozer, Fury X or Polaris all over again.
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I see some are making the mistake yet again of hyping up AMD products before release to levels that they can never hope to achieve in reality. Granted, AMD are complicit in this act but if Zen really does match Skylake's IPC performance, don't you think AMD would be shouting that from the rooftops? Or at least we would have been given hints as to this performance before today?

We've gone from Zen being under Haswell IPC to matching Skylake. I know the difference between Haswell and Skylake isn't huge either but there is no chance Zen's per core performance is as good as Skylake. AMD can't just pull a rabbit out of a hat.

Also, if AMD say the chips can perform above 3Ghz, read that as 'don't expect much more than around 3.3Ghz stock clocks'. Let's keep expectations in check otherwise this is Bulldozer, Fury X or Polaris all over again.

According to AMD they validated a 40% increase in IPC over Excavator. Yes that would place it equal to Haswell. They are comparing a 6900k which is based off of Broadwell which is only 5% faster than Haswell. We still don't know how AMD's SMT performance works so it could be faster in multi-threading.

Bulldozer was a flop since then they got a new CEO who's been on point with all the releases. She's made AMD profits.

Fury X outperforms it's GTX 980 Ti competition with current drivers. Polaris is sold out every where and doesn't have a driver issue like my 1070

Edit: Just looked at the price of a Fury X and it could be bought new for $360 might actually sell my 1070 for one.
Edited by WannaBeOCer - 8/18/16 at 2:33pm
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They should pick a middle ground between their previous desperate price dumping and Intel's outrageous prices.
They need to rework their image that only cheapskates buy AMD and that it cost a bit for their hardware because its good
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Exactly, if Zen can match broadwell-E in games and productivity 90% of the time, it wont come cheap but it will still be priced competitively.
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I would think that at similar performance at a similar price the purchase would go to Intel wouldn't it? If there's no or very little cost saving then you stick with what you know, surely?

Yes.
Yes.
Kind of.

Again some people are ready to jump off the Intel/nVidia train because.... They just want to stick it to those two companies just because.

So not trying to hype, IF Zen at 6/8 core matches i7-6800k. I absolutely expect the price to reflect that and be in the upper 300s. I'm not some cockamamie nut thinking its just because its AMD they should always price their crap lower all the time.
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According to AMD they validated a 40% increase in IPC over Excavator. Yes that would place it equal to Haswell. They are comparing a 6900k which is based off of Broadwell which is only 5% faster than Haswell. We still don't know how AMD's SMT performance works so it could be faster in multi-threading.

Bulldozer was a flop since then they got a new CEO who's been on point with all the releases. She's made AMD profits.

Fury X outperforms it's GTX 980 Ti competition with current drivers. Polaris is sold out every where and doesn't have a driver issue like my 1070

Edit: Just looked at the price of a Fury X and it could be bought new for $360 might actually sell my 1070 for one.

Hope that Kool'aid doesn't spoil man.
Edited by Rei86 - 8/18/16 at 2:38pm
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I see some are making the mistake yet again of hyping up AMD products before release to levels that they can never hope to achieve in reality. Granted, AMD are complicit in this act but if Zen really does match Skylake's IPC performance, don't you think AMD would be shouting that from the rooftops? Or at least we would have been given hints as to this performance before today?

We've gone from Zen being under Haswell IPC to matching Skylake. I know the difference between Haswell and Skylake isn't huge either but there is no chance Zen's per core performance is as good as Skylake. AMD can't just pull a rabbit out of a hat.

Also, if AMD say the chips can perform above 3Ghz, read that as 'don't expect much more than around 3.3Ghz stock clocks'. Let's keep expectations in check otherwise this is Bulldozer, Fury X or Polaris all over again.

 

 

Sorry, but that it what they are announcing today. If you don't believe it, that is your choice.

 

 

Zen competes with skylake/kaby lake.

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Zen competes with skylake/kaby lake.
Zen competes with Sandy Bridge-E. It is utter garbage m8.
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Video shows it faster then a 1000 dollar intel CPU,, so why do you guys think this 8 core zen is gonna cost under 500 dollars, are you for real?

Just like the fury X, i bet this is all hype and over exaggerating.
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Zen competes with Sandy Bridge-E. It is utter garbage m8.

 

You mean broadwell-e

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