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As long as Intel doesn't pay off Dell and other OEMs again I'm sure they'll be fine.

AMD wouldn't mind another $1.2 Billion in their pocket rolleyes.gif
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AMD wouldn't mind another $1.2 Billion in their pocket rolleyes.gif

Not like that they wont.Damages never cover the true cost of scandals like the intel under the table kickbacks.
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Not like that they wont.Damages never cover the true cost of scandals like the intel under the table kickbacks.

/s........buttkick.gif
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Originally Posted by Master__Shake View Post

intel was ready willing and able to drop it's prices when bulldozer was released if they had to.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/jules/intel-lines-up-2500k2600k-price-cuts-to-welcome-fx/
didn't take long for me to see there is no credable source for that:
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With sites like TechEye reporting on leaked pricing for the upcoming AMD Bulldozer parts, it seems that Intel is keen to hang onto the enthusiast market space. KitGuru ponders Intel’s next move.
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As long as Intel doesn't pay off Dell and other OEMs again I'm sure they'll be fine.

that was long before bulldozer, when AMD was competitive. but now amd needs to "compete" with it's own reputation.

e:
not trying to be a hater, just telling it like it is . . .believe me, i miss having an amd chip in my box.
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FinFETs require a special Vt to achieve to achieve 400 mV to 600 mV operation. 22FDX doesn't have that issue.

 

I would be immensely shocked if the current 14nm FF process can even get anywhere near 400mV at reasonable clock speeds (800+MHz).

   
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If it has the performance to come close to a 5960x, I guarantee you AMD will price it near a 5960x. AMD needs all the financial help they can get.

Actually AMD has been doing really well lately.
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I would be immensely shocked if the current 14nm FF process can even get anywhere near 400mV at reasonable clock speeds (800+MHz).



Do the math;
P-State FID 0x16 - VID 0x10 - IDD 15 (19.00x - 1.450 V) // 3.8 GHz @ 1.45v // 10.51 watts
P-State FID 0x10 - VID 0x2E - IDD 11 (16.00x - 1.262 V) // 3.2 GHz @ 1.262v // 13.51 watts <-- 1.25v
P-State FID 0xD - VID 0x3E - IDD 9 (14.50x - 1.162 V) // 2.9 GHz @ 1.162v // 10.11 watts <-- 1.15v
P-State FID 0xB - VID 0x46 - IDD 8 (13.50x - 1.112 V) // 2.7 GHz @ 1.112v // 8.57 watts <-- 1.1v
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FDSOI just literally shoots up. 22FDX products would be ready for Mid-2017/Late-2017. Then, you have all 20LPM/14XM Architectural improvements for Bulldozer as well. FP256, Adders in the AGLUs, 2x32B Load/1x32B Store per Integer core, massive amounts of auto-route/auto-place improvements with new EDA tools. If 22FDX then FBB+6T SRAM can replace 8T SRAM. Massive areal improvement in the L1i/L1d for Bulldozer right there. L2 can be given 64B/c perf which would destroy Zen's 32B/c.
Edited by Seronx - 8/18/16 at 5:26pm
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The CPU's look promising but the second part of the equation is the accompanying chipset and the motherboards - will they be up to Z170 standard (and even the upcoming Z270) Haven't really looked into it but this will be the bigger interest to me if I'm going to grab a amd 8 core.

Having built a Z170 system I have been very impressed with all the platform features and ease of use (overclocking/tweaking), system stability, etc.
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You mean broadwell-e

In Blender, which is almost certainly a best case scenario.

I would not be surprised if the overall IPC was quite a bit more modest and/or if Zen had difficulty reaching the same clocks. More comparisons are needed.
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X5670 @ 4.4/3.2GHz core/uncore, 1.36 vcore, 1.2... Gigabyte X58A-UD5 r2.0 w/FF3mod10 BIOS Sapphire Fury Nitro OC+ @ 1053/500, 1.225vGPU/1... 2x Samsung MV-3V4G3D/US @ 2000, 10-11-11-30-T1,... 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
1x Crucial BLT4G3D1608ET3LX0 @ 2000, 10-11-11-3... OCZ (Toshiba) Trion 150 120GB Hyundai Sapphire 120GB 3x Hitachi Deskstar 7k1000.C 1TB 
CoolingOSPowerCase
Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 Pro x64 SP1 Antec TP-750 Fractal Design R5 
Audio
ASUS Xonar DS 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6800K @ 4.3/3.5GHz core/uncore, 1.36/1.2v ASRock X99 OC Formula (P3.10) GTX 780 (temporary) 4x4GiB Crucial DDR4-2400 @ 11-13-12-28-T2, 1.33v 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Intel 600p 256GB NVMe 2x HGST Travelstar 7k1000 1TB Corsair H55 (temporary) Windows Server 2016 Datacenter 
PowerCase
Seasonic SS-860XP2 Corsair Carbide Air 540 
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