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Also remember.... Games that were ported to PC a few years back were ported from consoles with 512MB of total RAM. Right now we have consoles with 8GB of total RAM, and developers rely on these large memory pools, while before they had to be as efficient as possible with memory. Better to be on the safe side here... There's nothing more annoying than having to lower settings due to memory limits rather than GPU limits.


Funny thing is that the industry is actually slowing down massively.

Crap, now that I have the numbers, it has always been slowing down massively.

Using memory as a benchmark, the NES kicks off the bright new future of gaming in 1985 with 2KB of RAM, the SNES (1991) takes a 9,600% jump to 192KB of RAM (that's 128KB system RAM plus 64KB V-RAM), the N64 (1996) slows down massively with just a 2,083% increase at 4MB, then the GameCube (2001) again takes a huge step back with only 1,075% more RAM at 43 MB.
And then Nintendo stops trying.
To move over to a system that actually does try to keep up, on Xbox you have 64MB, adding 800% to 512MB on the 360.
Xbox One at 8GB does increase by more than an order of magnitude (1,562%), but the Xbox 360 was on the market twice as long as the Original Xbox.
Then it gets really interesting when we see that Project Scorpio is probably only getting 12GB of RAM (as far as we can tell from the mock-up render), just a 50% improvement in 4 years.

From a historical perspective, it looks like progression in the computer hardware industry is on the verge of coming to a complete halt.

Is Microsoft going to release something with 128GB of RAM four years after Scorpio?
Not likely.
Maybe we just have more bits in memory than we know what to do with now, so RAM speed is still providing practical gains, but how many HBM type jumps can we get?

In the next ten years people are going to have to get really creative to keep any semblance of technological progression.
Edited by ILoveHighDPI - 8/18/16 at 12:30pm
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Sound slike this couldve been a 1050 card instead?

nVidia probably have to cut another 40% of cores to compete with the RX 460.

You can thank AMD for the GTX 1050.
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It may have a price advantage over the 480 4GB... But I wouldn't buy a $200 3GB card in August 2016. And especially a gimped one which is basically as fast (core-wise) as the RX480 in the best case scenario.

 

But hey, maybe that's just me.

   
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If you're going to buy a card for e-sports, 2GB is likely enough. For anything else, 4GB is really the minimum requirement. Preferably 6GB - 8GB. .

Some Esports people I used to play with purposely turned down the quality even, so they would 1000% be sure no lag / fps drops, or some mouse latency bull... like 1024x768. So I agree, 3G is prob enough. We made due just fine with 2G not long ago.
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For 1080p gaming on a budget, I am pretty sure those people don't actually care about making " the smartest move" or had time/interest to research the implications, otherwise 750Ti/960 2GB wouldn't have sold in droves.

Those two cards were also incredibly popular with the Folding@Home and BOINC folks due to their low cost in combination with fairly decent crunching power, with the 960 still being in the $220-250 CAD price range, at least last time I checked anyways.
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Nivida providing more affordable options is never a bad thing.
Need more RAM or Power? Buy a 1060 6GB or 1070. Need more than that? They also have the 1080 and Titan X.

The people who have a problem with this card would never consider buy it, so I don't understand the reason for debate.
Nvidia staggered the release to make sure people don't get all emotional about the 3GB version.

AMD is capped at the $200 price point and they ain't moving no time soon. Laughably sad.
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After getting a $380 980ti the first game i put was rise of tomb raider and even though the card can have everything maxed with msaa and 120 fps in benchmark it cannot handle high res textures even in 1080p,certain areas like russian camp and geothermal area would stutter crazy due to vram limitation and system ram swapping to load textures.I read that doom in nightmare setting consumes 5 vram,soo,bottom line get as much vram possible,vram requirements will skyrocket with newer games even in full hd due to high res textures,hbao+ and new methods of AA.
For 120Hz gaming, I wouldn't consider buying anything less than a 1080, or a Titan X if it's within your budget.
You will always need the fastest card you can afford for 100Hz+ gaming.
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Nivida providing more affordable options is never a bad thing.
Need more RAM or Power? Buy a 1060 6GB or 1070. Need more than that? They also have the 1080 and Titan X.

The people who have a problem with this card would never consider buy it, so I don't understand the reason for debate.
Nvidia staggered the release to make sure people don't get all emotional about the 3GB version.

AMD is capped at the $200 price point and they ain't moving no time soon. Laughably sad.
I could understand recommending a 6GB 1060 over an 8GB 480. But I would not understand recommending a 3GB 1060 over a 4GB 480.
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I could understand recommending a 6GB 1060 over an 8GB 480. But I would not understand recommending a 3GB 1060 over a 4GB 480.

The same way you do not understand recommending the following:

GTX 680 2 GB over 7970 3GB
GTX 670 2GB over 7950 3GB
GTX 780/Ti 3GB over 290/290X 4GB
GTX 970 3.5 GB over 390 8GB
GTX 980 4GB over 390X 8 GB

In each of those cases, Nvidia offered less memory than AMD at the same or higher price point, and the majority of the consumer didn't give a damn and bought Nvidia instead. Not to mention these are consumers buying cards that are more than $130 more than the GTX 1060 3GB and would care more about what they get for their money. Nvidia understands its consumer base more than you do rolleyes.gif

Memory bottleneck at 1080p is a vastly exaggerated issue on these forums than they are for actual consumers, and as been discussed a lot of games use as much as memory as the cards give them instead of what they actually need, thus they would use more memory when run a Radeon card but perform the same and use less on a Nvidia card.
Edited by sherlock - 8/18/16 at 4:14pm
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I could understand recommending a 6GB 1060 over an 8GB 480. But I would not understand recommending a 3GB 1060 over a 4GB 480.

Why not?

If the card runs out of gpu speed before it reaches the 3GB limit, the card is performing as intended.
Of course, you will see people up the AA to the vram limit and see the fps drop just to complain that there isn't enough vram, when they are well below 60fps.

If the 3GB card runs a game at 60fps with default settings and never hits the vram limit, the card is performing as intended.
If the framerate goes below 60fps, because the user wants to run 4/8xMSAA and high res textures and hits the vram limit, that's a user purchasing error.

The user should have bought a faster card to achieve 60fps with higher settings. Those faster cards come with more vram to compensate for the increase in vram usage.

If anyone is looking to saturate more than 3GB with this lower level 1060, they are about to purchase the wrong card. The 1060 6GB is the better buy.
But a default settings gamer will see this card as a great option at $200.
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