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Originally Posted by rainzor View Post

It did beat both AMD cards at everything other than Ashes or is that not important?.
Why insist on judging this card by comparing it to 6GB 1060 which is 60eur more expensive? Although i agree that it should have been called 1050ti (something similar to 650tiB during kepler era) but it is what it is.

They tested a monster inno3D iChill three fan 1060 3 GB factory overclocked model (both GPU and VRAM) that comes with an 8-pin power connector and a massive heatsink with 5 heatpipes, so take that into account.

Also they did tie in one benchmark - 3D Mark Time Spy (a margin of error win for the RX 480) and in one game at 58 fps and a practical tie (1 fps apart) in Crysis 3 too.

But where it loses big time against the 1060 6 GB should tell you that the VRAM amount is gimping this card beyond its horsepower. And if it's doing it now, considering people in this price segment don't buy a new card every year, it's not good.

And then there is the price. Where I am that price difference you quote is practically half that, only 31 Eur between the cheapest 1060 3 GB and the cheapest 1060 6 GB. Also, the cheapest 1060 3 GB is 21 Eur more expensive than the RX 480 4 GB and just 25 Eur less expensive than the RX 480 8 GB.

I wouldn't pay 270 Eur when I could buy a 1060 6 GB or an RX 480 8 GB for ~ 300 Eur.

If price were such a big constraint then I would look the other way and save 21 Eur and get the 480 4 GB. Same performance tier, cheaper and more future proofing with more VRAM and better DX 12 and Vulkan.
Edited by tpi2007 - 8/21/16 at 2:49pm
 
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It's interesting how you think you can manage to put forth the argument that "the whole "VRAM is everything" mentality is ridiculous" while admitting in that very same sentence that your GTX 780 is showing its age.

Yes, yes, it is showing its age, and there is another thing that it is showing: that it is a performance tier below the GTX 1060 and thus your conflation is wrong:






https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1060/26.html


So, thanks for playing the faux GTX 1060 sales pitch, you didn't win any prize this time, please trying again tomorrow.

Don't see what's so hard to understand. Obviously my card is showing age because it's an older, less efficient architecture while being much lower clocks speeds (which aren't linear anyways but it helps). My card wouldn't be much better off if I opted for a 6GB variant, especially if I get good clocks from a Classified compared to a stock. For the 1060, a 3GB probably performs within 8-10% of a 6GB card in given situations where it matters. None of the comparisons to my card change the fact the VRAM is NOT everything. It is important yes, if I were to buy a 1060 I would most likely buy a 6GB version. Some people have tight budgets and if $50 is too much more, I don't think one would lose out on too much overall. If it's loose and especially in the case of the 1060 3GB being slightly gimped other than its VRAM then yes, it's a better buy. Old cards that had more VRAM only offered more without any change to clock, memory speed, or cores.
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No one here was saying it RAM was the most important thing. We were saying that the 3GB will limit the GPU and therefore it's better to go with an AMD variant or the 1060 6GB.
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Originally Posted by HeadlessKnight View Post

There will always be the heroes who will buy this card despite being a 3 GB card in 2016 just because Nvidia currently owns the fastest halo product and because their mentality is still stuck in 2005 thinking AMD drivers are garbage.

Rather your own thinking is in the gutter. AMD still has a long way to go in many areas. Your points are the usual fanboy topics from both sides and should not be mentioned. Nobody cares if Nvidia has the Halo product with i.e. GTX 1080 or Titan X(P) because of their out of world pricing. I think the halo product argument is equally as stupid as rooting for AMD because of the "root for the underdog" status.

Judging people by your narrow viewing angle is not great either.

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It did beat both AMD cards at everything other than Ashes or is that not important?.

Ashes was always a medicre game at best. It's solely used as a benchmark, but not really played. Without it's DX12 support and only straw product for AMD, nobody would care about this game. Besides that, just after this release I noticed how annoyed I got with the tested games. How long do we have the usual suspects Doom, Ashes, Tomb Raider and so on? Who plays the same games for such a long time period?

Aren't there any newer games released of now?
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Why insist on judging this card by comparing it to 6GB 1060 which is 60eur more expensive? Although i agree that it should have been called 1050ti (something similar to 650tiB during kepler era) but it is what it is.

The name is not really that important. There are people out there who want to pre-judge a new product bases on internal rage. Since the AMD Polaris architecture did not deliver the promises and Nvidia is having a field day with prices, everyone willing to upgrade is in utter frustration mode. What should they upgrade to when Vega is not even on the horizon?

This frustration goes so far that they pre-judge a card besides it could be an option to upgrade for other gamers. They don't need benchmarks or tests because they know everything better themselves. There is always the option to pay 60-150 bucks more for the next bigger upgrade in hardware. Problem is at some point you have to set your budget at a stop-limit, or you will never stop going upwards.

Nvidia now offers something in the 200 € / $ region which is the counterpart to AMD products there. If this is a good or bad deal is up to the individual buyer. I personally decided for the 6GB version because I had the money and wanted the litte bit more future proof graphics card. Yet I don't order everyone else to do the same. I can suggest it, but people can do with their money whatever they want.

According to the first China leaks the card does not perform bad as everyone claims. If buyers take this card, I can understand why.
--> is is a gread deal ... depends. Last generation the GTX 950 wasn't a gread deal either and people bought it for various reasons nonetheless.

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No one here was saying it RAM was the most important thing. We were saying that the 3GB will limit the GPU and therefore it's better to go with an AMD variant or the 1060 6GB.

Why would you go for a weaker card just because it offer more VRAM? Isn't that just pure fanboyism?

i have seen many AIB 1060's announcements with 3GB where the boost goes up to ~1860 MHz. This means this card will be heavily factory overclocked for a better performance. As a result the little 1060 will beat or tie with a RX480 almost all the time except a few hard cases maybe. At the same time the 1060 (3GB) will be way more power effiicient than any RX-seriers on the market. For me this means the buyer does not have to worry about upgrading the power supply as you have to do often with AMD GPUs.

I would prefer such a card over a lousy and weak onboard, mobile or APU any time. Although here we have the perception lots of the critics don't think about.
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Don't see what's so hard to understand. Obviously my card is showing age because it's an older, less efficient architecture while being much lower clocks speeds (which aren't linear anyways but it helps). My card wouldn't be much better off if I opted for a 6GB variant, especially if I get good clocks from a Classified compared to a stock. For the 1060, a 3GB probably performs within 8-10% of a 6GB card in given situations where it matters. None of the comparisons to my card change the fact the VRAM is NOT everything. It is important yes, if I were to buy a 1060 I would most likely buy a 6GB version. Some people have tight budgets and if $50 is too much more, I don't think one would lose out on too much overall. If it's loose and especially in the case of the 1060 3GB being slightly gimped other than its VRAM then yes, it's a better buy. Old cards that had more VRAM only offered more without any change to clock, memory speed, or cores.

Nothing is hard to understand if you stop omitting the most important thing to contextualize what is at stake and what I said.

Here is the second sentence from your post above with one crucial bit added to it:
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Obviously my card is showing age because it's an older, less efficient architecture while being much lower clocks speeds (which aren't linear anyways but it helps) and simply because it's slower; it's one performance tier below the 1060, hence why the fact that it has 3 GB instead of 6 GB isn't so important by comparison.


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No one here was saying it RAM was the most important thing. We were saying that the 3GB will limit the GPU and therefore it's better to go with an AMD variant or the 1060 6GB.

This. And where I am the RX 480 4 GB is 21 Eur cheaper than the cheapest 1060 3 GB.
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This. And where I am the RX 480 4 GB is 21 Eur cheaper than the cheapest 1060 3 GB.

Interesting, but here in Europe/Germany the 470 and 480 are hardly to not availabe. Those shops who have them gauge up the price offers.
Seems like 2016 will be stay an intersting year for how the prices will develop.
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This. And where I am the RX 480 4 GB is 21 Eur cheaper than the cheapest 1060 3 GB.

Interesting, but here in Europe/Germany the 470 and 480 are hardly to not availabe. Those shops who have them gauge up the price offers.
Seems like 2016 will be stay an intersting year for how the prices will develop.

It will depend on the country, of course. I can buy an RX 480 8 GB, 4 GB or RX 470 4 GB or 8 GB right now (well, not right now because the shop only opens in the morning).

The price on the RX 470 4 GB though is ridiculous. Then again, considering the official MSRP and what I said back then, it lines up perfectly. I mean, why would I buy an RX 470 4 GB for just 3 Eur (edit: just to be clear, three, not thirty, that's how ridiculous it is) less than the RX 480 4GB? It makes absolutely no sense.

And when it comes to the 1060 6 GB, well, that goes from 301 Eur to a mind boggling 390 Eur. And they made sure to fill up the space beneath too, as the most expensive 3 GB 1060 goes for 299 Eur, at which point I ask, why, oh why? Anyway, the prices are all a mess. The only new card reasonably priced right now is the RX 460 for 127 Eur. Meanwhile the 750 Ti is still selling for the same price, more expensive than the RX 460, that I paid for it two and a half years ago!!
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It will depend on the country, of course. I can buy an RX 480 8 GB, 4 GB or RX 470 4 GB or 8 GB right now (well, not right now because the shop only opens in the morning).

The price on the RX 470 4 GB though is ridiculous. Then again, considering the official MSRP and what I said back then, it lines up perfectly. I mean, why would I buy an RX 470 4 GB for just 3 Eur less than the RX 480 4GB? It makes absolutely no sense.

And when it comes to the 1060 6 GB, well, that goes from 301 Eur to a mind boggling 390 Eur. And they made sure to fill up the space beneath too, as the most expensive 3 GB 1060 goes for 299 Eur, at which point I ask, why, oh why? Anyway, the prices are all a mess. The only new card reasonably priced right now is the RX 460 for 127 Eur. Meanwhile the 750 Ti is still selling for the same price, more expensive than the RX 460, that I paid for it two and a half years ago!!

How funny, our cards range from
-GTX 1060 3GB -> 219€ to ~249€
-GTX 1060 6GB -> 269€ to ~329€
-RX470 4GB -> 225€ to 265€ (many models not available)
-RX470 8GB -> 258€ to 288€ (not many offers)
-RX480 4GB -> 249€ (but nowhere avaialbe, offers seem to be placeholders only)
-RX480 8GB 269€ to ~330€

I must admit the RX series is all over the place, but the cheaper offers are nowhere available. Those who are can be more expensive than even a GTX1060 at time. Really crazy!
The prices vary from shop to shop here in Germany, but AMD seems to have trouble delivering their Polaris chips. Alot of offers are set to "unknown".
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Nvidia should've called the 6GB card the 1060ti and this one the 1060.
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Rather your own thinking is in the gutter. AMD still has a long way to go in many areas. Your points are the usual fanboy topics from both sides and should not be mentioned. Nobody cares if Nvidia has the Halo product with i.e. GTX 1080 or Titan X(P) because of their out of world pricing. I think the halo product argument is equally as stupid as rooting for AMD because of the "root for the underdog" status.

Judging people by your narrow viewing angle is not great either.


What you metioned is narrow angled as well. You are pushing your opinion upon people's throat.
If you think I am an AMD fanboy see. I have owned only 2 AMD GPUs but 6 Nvidia's. Also I currently own a GTX 980 Ti smart one ...

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Why would you go for a weaker card just because it offer more VRAM? Isn't that just pure fanboyism?

This is a very stupid statement, and shows how much inexperienced you are regarding this VRAM matter. I have owned a 3 GB 780 Ti and I know it limitations. If I bought a slighly weaker card at the time like the 290 4 GB I wouldn't have the same issues. Slightly slower fps in games but much better experience in VRAM limited situations, and those even at 1080p are many.
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