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Yah, there are games that can be playable in 4K even with a single card the caliber of a 970. Others like C3 - you gonna need SLI. Speaking of C3, there will be games like it that do not use much vram even with its outstanding graphics.

My point really was that everyone says that once you hit the 3.5gb, that it slows everything down. It still might in some games/benchmarks. I know it did when the issue was being debated all over the web. As I said, I'm not sure if it's the actual game or the drivers, or both.

Here is a screenshot that I took when the 3.5 fiasco started:
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My point really was that everyone says that once you hit the 3.5gb, that it slows everything down. It still might in some games/benchmarks. I know it did when the issue was being debated all over the web. As I said, I'm not sure if it's the actual game or the drivers, or both.

Here is a screenshot that I took when the 3.5 fiasco started:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

I see. I also read that NVidia came up with a software solution but not sure if it really worked. Looks like it is working in your case. I also know we have members complained about it and since upgraded to a card with more vram.

EDIT: See post # 2989

http://www.overclock.net/t/1535502/gtx-970s-can-only-use-3-5gb-of-4gb-vram-issue/2980
Edited by rdr09 - 8/22/16 at 7:55am
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Let me put this in extremes for you. Maybe you will get it. Because your example does not represent what is currently going on with the GTX 1060 3GB at all. You're picking examples that suit your biased agenda. To put the issue in a blatantly obvious perspective;
Which would be the smarter buy? A GTX 1080 with 1GB, or a GTX 980 Ti with 6GB?
All nice and dandy but you're ignoring the opposite scenario where the amount of VRAM is so little that it limits the GPU in a significant manner. The GPU is then not worth getting because you're paying too much. Would you buy a car with a V8 engine that can only reach 3000 RPM and cannot shift further than 3rd gear?


Biased? Agenda? Aren't those terms suggesting fanyboism?
From what I see, you are the one with not only extreme, but terrible artificial and unrealistic examples.

FYI
Your 1080 (1GB) and a GTX 980 Ti (6GB) are not even in the same tier of graphics cards.
Neither the performance classe, nor the TDP, nor power consumption nor any other technical data would match. Pricing would be totally excluded too.

I mean, we have given borders on now VRAM can be applied in capacity. Most of the time we are limited by the memory interface. The results are numbers by 2/4 - 3/6 - 4/8 - 6/12 a.s.o. The same card will never have an uneven number unless the fundamental structure of the card is changed too. (Leave cars out of this because they are never fitting examples.)

As an enthusiast I would always take the same card with the higher amount with VRAM. Here comes the crux:
I view this from the very budget limited perspective too, which alot of the guys here don't take into consideration

__________________________
Full explanation:
In the extreme budget gamers mentality, every penny counts.
--Here in Europe / Germany we have a strange situation. The difference between the same EVGA 10603 GB and 6Gb are roughly 60€ (-> 219€ vs 279€ or 289€). Now think about what those 60€ difference would bring in a budget build. Maybe a few percent more performance in some games, but not overal better FPS becaus both cards are not that far between each other.

In a budgte build those 60€ can be the deciding factor. You could get:
-an i7 instead of an i5
-a 16GB of i.e. DDR3 1600+
-a 256GB SSD

With those options in mind, do you still think the more expensive upgrade would be worth it?

Oh, and here the RX-series is hell of a strange product here. Some 470-s and 480's are first of all not available and in addition expensive as hell if they are. I don't know if you can say they are not a real alternative. Problems with power consumption, heat and noise add fuel to the fire too.
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FYI
Your 1080 (1GB) and a GTX 980 Ti (6GB) are not even in the same tier of graphics cards.
Neither the performance classe, nor the TDP, nor power consumption nor any other technical data would match. Pricing would be totally excluded too.

Guess you don't OC. thumb.gif
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Just read the first ten pages of this - any reviews off the 3gb cut down version ?
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Does this decode 4k like rx series and how much $$$? Similar speed as rx470?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNdT2f8gEQU

aib 1060 barely faster than aib rx470...
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Biased? Agenda? Aren't those terms suggesting fanyboism?
You talking about yourself? You're constantly throwing accusations around, even towards people that have nVidia GPUs and those that recommend a 1060 6GB instead. Don't be a hypocrite.
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From what I see, you are the one with not only extreme, but terrible artificial and unrealistic examples.
It was there to make a point which clearly flew way over your head.
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FYI
Your 1080 (1GB) and a GTX 980 Ti (6GB) are not even in the same tier of graphics cards.
Neither the performance classe, nor the TDP, nor power consumption nor any other technical data would match. Pricing would be totally excluded too.
So? You had no problem comparing a 780 to a 1060 before. So what's the issue? Don't be a hypocrite. You don't want to admit the 980 Ti is a better choice because the 1GB would gimp the 1080 so much that it would make it a waste to buy. Well guess what, it's the same with the 1060, albeit to a lesser extent, it's still an issue.
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I mean, we have given borders on now VRAM can be applied in capacity. Most of the time we are limited by the memory interface. The results are numbers by 2/4 - 3/6 - 4/8 - 6/12 a.s.o. The same card will never have an uneven number unless the fundamental structure of the card is changed too. (Leave cars out of this because they are never fitting examples.)
What are you babbling about? We were talking about memory being a limit or not. Whether the structure of the card needs to change for the amount or not is a moot point in the face of VRAM not being enough. Would you be using this argument if an RX 470 had 2GB? No you wouldn't. You would be bashing the card to the moon and back because it's not nVidia's. Everyone here already knows your nature.
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As an enthusiast I would always take the same card with the higher amount with VRAM. Here comes the crux:
I view this from the very budget limited perspective too, which alot of the guys here don't take into consideration
If you're on a limited budget I assume you don't want to upgrade within a year, thus the 3GB version is an even worse buy.
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__________________________
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In the extreme budget gamers mentality, every penny counts.
Which is exactly why the 3GB is a crappy product, since if you count penny per relevant usage time, the 1060 3GB will have the worst out of the current cards within any range between $150 to $350.
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--Here in Europe / Germany we have a strange situation. The difference between the same EVGA 10603 GB and 6Gb are roughly 60€ (-> 219€ vs 279€ or 289€). Now think about what those 60€ difference would bring in a budget build. Maybe a few percent more performance in some games, but not overal better FPS becaus both cards are not that far between each other.
What about after a year or two?
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In a budgte build those 60€ can be the deciding factor. You could get:
-an i7 instead of an i5
-a 16GB of i.e. DDR3 1600+
-a 256GB SSD

With those options in mind, do you still think the more expensive upgrade would be worth it?
Actually yes. Because I think what will happen in a year from now, not only what happens right now with what I buy.
Whether I have an i5 or an i7, I'll have to turn down settings anyway on the 3GB to make it perform properly in a year. Waste of an i7.
Whether I have an 8GB or 16GB RAM, I'll have to turn down settings anyway on the 3GB to make it perform properly in a year. Waste of 16GB.
Whether I have an SSD or not, I'll have to turn down settings anyway on the 3GB to make it perform properly in a year. The SSD is still useful, but not worth the sacrifice of framerate drops. An SSD falls more into the nice to have category rather than a necessity for gaming.

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Oh, and here the RX-series is hell of a strange product here. Some 470-s and 480's are first of all not available and in addition expensive as hell if they are. I don't know if you can say they are not a real alternative. Problems with power consumption, heat and noise add fuel to the fire too.
Problems with power consumption? LOL and you call me a fanboy? 50W more power is a "problem" now... Get real boy. All these cards would run fine on a quality 500W power supply even after OC-ing the whole system. And no there's no motherboards being burned, and additional memory actually uses power too.
Edited by NightAntilli - 8/22/16 at 9:09am
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Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Biased? Agenda? Aren't those terms suggesting fanyboism?
From what I see, you are the one with not only extreme, but terrible artificial and unrealistic examples.

FYI
Your 1080 (1GB) and a GTX 980 Ti (6GB) are not even in the same tier of graphics cards.
Neither the performance classe, nor the TDP, nor power consumption nor any other technical data would match. Pricing would be totally excluded too.

I mean, we have given borders on now VRAM can be applied in capacity. Most of the time we are limited by the memory interface. The results are numbers by 2/4 - 3/6 - 4/8 - 6/12 a.s.o. The same card will never have an uneven number unless the fundamental structure of the card is changed too. (Leave cars out of this because they are never fitting examples.)

As an enthusiast I would always take the same card with the higher amount with VRAM. Here comes the crux:
I view this from the very budget limited perspective too, which alot of the guys here don't take into consideration

__________________________
Full explanation:
In the extreme budget gamers mentality, every penny counts.
--Here in Europe / Germany we have a strange situation. The difference between the same EVGA 10603 GB and 6Gb are roughly 60€ (-> 219€ vs 279€ or 289€). Now think about what those 60€ difference would bring in a budget build. Maybe a few percent more performance in some games, but not overal better FPS becaus both cards are not that far between each other.

In a budgte build those 60€ can be the deciding factor. You could get:
-an i7 instead of an i5
-a 16GB of i.e. DDR3 1600+
-a 256GB SSD

With those options in mind, do you still think the more expensive upgrade would be worth it?

Oh, and here the RX-series is hell of a strange product here. Some 470-s and 480's are first of all not available and in addition expensive as hell if they are. I don't know if you can say they are not a real alternative. Problems with power consumption, heat and noise add fuel to the fire too.

A few things; Both card temps are within 5-10 degrees.
Both cards are under 40db, you really are arguing semantics because that qualifies as quiet.
Power consumption issue has been fixed.
On the other hand the 1060 has the DPC issues that has yet to be resolved (I'm doubting a resolution will be found too since they released the $1200.00 Titan Xp with the same issue)
So yes the 1060 will give you higher frames but you have a chance of those frames not being smooth.
If the card is gimped in it's complete state why add another area that may hurt performance?
 
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I'm not a fanboy of either camp.

If someone were to ask me my opinion.....let's keep this on the green side for a moment. I wouldn't recommend a 1060 3gb card. As a lot of other posters have said, this amount of Vram isn't going to be enough to let the GPU stretch it legs.

On the red side.....better future-proof with DX12/Vulkan.

One big drawback to ALL of the 1060's, whether the 3gb or 6gb...NO SLI....AT ALL.

I know some will claim that a lot of games don't support or scale well in SLI...but I would still love to at least have that option.

I'm thinking of upgrading my son's rig. He has my old R9 270x 4gb. If I were to buy today....assuming ALL of the cards were in stock. I would get the PowerColor RED DEVIL Radeon RX 470(MSRP 199.00).
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