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A few things; Both card temps are within 5-10 degrees.

Within that 5-10°C degree it highly depends if this hot air is going into the case or out of the PC. Many people just hate it when their GPU heats up their room.
I didn't want to say the RX-series is a hopeless spaceheater as the reference 290X was, but it surely needs alot of cooling for being mainstream class cards. At least the cooling is more needed than a smaller dimensioned GTX 1060.

Buyers may have their preferences here, yet I believe a GTX 1060 is better fit for smaller case than a RX470 / 480.
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Both cards are under 40db, you really are arguing semantics because that qualifies as quiet.

Quiet has many levels of tolerance. I feel like we in Europe only get the B-grade hardware to hellish prices. The few reviews about the RX470 incoming here were not so positive. Loud fans and even coil whine have been reported in more than a few cases. No clue if this is a first batch problem, but I would never engage a game of russian roulette with my new hardware again.

If there are problems, I hope AMD will fix them more sooner than later.

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Power consumption issue has been fixed.

Only where the power is surged from has been fixed. Polaris still draws way to much power for what its class should need.
As I already said, a RX480 draws at least 50W more than a full GTX 1060. The smaller RX470 needs 10W less, although this can still be too much for a weak power supply you find in the usual complete PC offers.

If a buyer just changes the graphics card, those numbers might lead to upgrading the PSU too. Not really preferable for the budget area these cards fight in.
In the HTPC segment this can be crucial too, because you normally have your system run for very long periods.

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On the other hand the 1060 has the DPC issues that has yet to be resolved (I'm doubting a resolution will be found too since they released the $1200.00 Titan Xp with the same issue)

I am not up to date with the DPC story. A few weeks ago this was reported by the IT sites and Nvidia promised to be fixed by driver.
Just yesterday I noticed the new article of techreport about issues with the 470. The whole story was here.
http://techreport.com/blog/30506/re-examining-the-unusual-frame-time-results-in-our-radeon-rx-470-review

For me this just means all the new FinFet cards have child diseases and must mature first. We have to see in a long run how this develops further.

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So yes the 1060 will give you higher frames but you have a chance of those frames not being smooth.
If the card is gimped in it's complete state why add another area that may hurt performance?

First of all we should all be happy to have options in the budget mainstream. This will lead to AMD and Nvidia fight for the best off, which we as buyers profit from in general.

In my opinion all mid-range to lower high-end are compromises at best. As a buyer you have to choose your lesser evil somewhere. The vendors want some margins for themselves too, so there has to be a cut at some places to make the cheap product viable. Everyone has different needs. If you don't want to invest money, don't expect to get the best of the best.

I see all the new GTX 1060's just as a cheap replacement for those guys who always wanted a GTX 980, but could never afford them. Now they get what they want and maybe they will never need that much VRAM. Personally I noticed how spoiled we got over the last years with our demand for performance. If we get aways from the perfectionism and be happy with what we got, alot of hardware will hold out way longer than we may have anticipated.
Edited by Hardware Hoshi - 8/22/16 at 10:03am
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Within that 5-10°C degree it highly depends if this hot air is going into the case or out of the PC. Many people just hate it when their GPU heats up their room.
I didn't want to say the RX-series is a hopeless spaceheater as the reference 290X was, but it surely needs alot of cooling for being mainstream class cards. At least the cooling is more needed than a smaller dimensioned GTX 1060.

Buyers may have their preferences here, yet I believe a GTX 1060 is better fit for smaller case than a RX470 / 480.
Quiet has many levels of tolerance. I feel like we in Europe only get the B-grade hardware to helilsh prices. The few reviews about the RX470 incoming here were not so positive. Loud fans and even coil whine has been reported in more than a few cases. No clue if this is a first batch problem, but I would never engage a game of russion roulette with my new hardware again.

If there are problems, I hope AMD will fix them more sooner than later.
Only where the power is surged from has been fixed. Polaris still draws way to much power for what its class should need.
As I already said, a RX480 draws at least 50W more than a full GTX 1060. The smaller RX470 needs 10W less, although this can still be too much for a weak power supply you find in the usual complete PC offers.

If a buyer just changes the graphics card, those numbers might lead to upgrading the PSU too. Not really preferable for the budget area these cards fight in.
In the HTPC segment this can be crucial too, because you normally have your system run for very long periods.
I am not up to date with the DPC story. A few weeks ago this was reported by the IT sites and Nvidia promised to be fixed by driver.
Just yesterday I noticed the new article of techreport about issues with the 470. The whole story was here.
http://techreport.com/blog/30506/re-examining-the-unusual-frame-time-results-in-our-radeon-rx-470-review

For me this just means all the new FinFet cards have child diseases and must mature first. We have to see in a long run how this develops further.
First of all we should all be happy to have options in the budget mainstream. This will lead to AMD and Nvidia fight for the best off, which we as buyers profit from in general.

In my opinion all mid-range to lower high-end are compromises at best. As a buyer you have to choose your lesser evil somewhere. The vendors want some margin too, so there has to be a cut at some places. Everyone has different needs. If you don't want to invest money, don't expect to get the best of the best.

I see all the new GTX 1060's just as a cheap replacement for those guys who always wanted a GTX 980, but could never afford them. Now they get what they want and maybe they will never need that much VRAM. Personally I noticed how spoiled we got over the last years with our demand for performance. If we get aways from the perfectionism and be happy with what we got, alot of hardware will hold out way longer than we may have anticipated.


What? Please stop spreading lies.

Here is the facts.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10540/the-geforce-gtx-1060-founders-edition-asus-strix-review/16

Nvidia uses averaged TDP,not what the card can actually max.
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What? Please stop spreading lies.

Care to explain or are meaningless one-liners all you can spread?
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What? Please stop spreading sensible thoughts.

Ftfy.
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Does this decode 4k like rx series and how much $$$? Similar speed as rx470?

Apparently this is a cut-down version of the 1060 6GB version, which i assume is still faster than the RX-470 in games. Not sure what that decoding 4K is all about.

The DPC Latency is fixable. The main issue is the 3GB for a card this fast. It's like slapping a 3GB on the GTX 980.

I can't even recommend a 4GB card anymore.


Now, if this is as slow as a GTX 960, then it should not be an issue at all.
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Care to explain or are meaningless one-liners all you can spread?


You were too fast for the proof. thumb.gif
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Even the 960 had this problem with 2gb vs 4gb, Gamers Nexus did an article about it, the conclusion was that the 2gb 960 despite having a slight advantage with the core and memory clock was consistantly slower, in some games the difference was neglegable and in others, the games suffered more frame drops leading to a worse overall experience. the 3gb 1060 is about 40% more powerful than the 2gb 960 and has 30% more vram, at best the problem with be the same, worst case scenario is you buy this to run 1440p (or even worse than that VR where the smoothness of the experience is the most important factor) and have to drop a lot of eye candy just to stop that hitching from occuring, as a result any other card within +/- $40 of the 3gb 1060 is a better buy simply because it isnt a problem for those cards and if you are buying this card for games that don't need that vram (stuff like CSGO, indie titles and MOBA's) then you likely dont need that level of performance either and would be better served by something in the ballpark of the gtx960/r9 380.

Here that link for the GN article.
http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/1888-evga-supersc-4gb-960-benchmark-vs-2gb?showall=1
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You were too fast for the proof. thumb.gif

Your numbers are quite odd. Placing a normal version vs reference / OC anc claiming power consumption is a dirty move. Try this more realistic scenario from the techpowerup review




Full power consumption part starts at:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1060/24.html

I remind you, this is only the "Founders edition". There are cards with better values out there. As soon as all the 1060 3GB and RX400 series are available to reviewers, the tests will be updated and we can see the difference.
Edited by Hardware Hoshi - 8/22/16 at 11:20am
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You were too fast for the proof. thumb.gif

People using Furmark numbers where AMD throttles at 800Mhz. Where's my popcorn


Edited by Smanci - 8/22/16 at 11:29am
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Your numbers are quite odd. Placing a normal version vs reference / OC anc claiming power consumption is a dirty move. Try this more realistic scenario from the techpowerup review

Read the quote from the Anandtech review under the Furmark numbers he provided for the explanation.
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As for load power consumption under FurMark, we’re in an interesting scenario. In practice the GTX 1060 cards draw more power than the RX 480 cards, but at the same time neither of the GTX 1060 cards need to temperature throttle here. The situation is still a bit more complex than that, but ultimately this is why I have more faith in the Crysis 3 numbers, as FurMark in a backwards sort of way can reward cards that throttle too soon.

Then look at the Crysis 3 numbers like the author of the review recommends to see the truth.
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