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Nah, the GTX 1050 will probably another chip called GP107. The even smaller GTX / GTS 1040 should be the GP 108 then. They are not the same as the GP106 in the GTX 1060s. I still don't understand what you guys want to sue. There is no juridical basis to succeed.

Well simply b/c it's a shady practice. If they put a simple indentifier somewhere there would be no issue. (like LE..light edition or something) The 3GB vs 6GB alone does not denote there are any other actual differences in the models. Thus it's very understandable that consumers not knowing what we know, will not know the difference. That is very suspect to being classified as preying on consumers, which should be protected against.
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I feel bad in the fact that a bunch of consumers will buy GTX1060 3gb's, without doing the proper research beforehand, come to OCN and then everyone here will tell them they should have spent an extra few bucks to get either the RX480 or 1060 6gb ... but atleast the 1060 3gb's shortcomings are public knowledge if you do choose to be an informed consumer. The buyer does have some responsibility to research their purchase.

The GTX970 situation was worse, in that Nvidia didn't disclose that only 3.5gb of the 4gb runs at the rated speed and there was 'comparatively' a massive performance hit for utilizing the last 0.5gb.
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Well simply b/c it's a shady practice.

What is shady about his? Every business from automotive, electronics to general engineering does this. You as a customer have the duty to inform you. As long as the vendors give you the needed information from the beginning, it is your fault for not seeing the difference.

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If they put a simple indentifier somewhere there would be no issue. (like LE..light edition or something) The 3GB vs 6GB alone does not denote there are any other actual differences in the models.

Horrible, as if that would solee anything. Don't we have enough lables and identifiers already? And to be nitpicking, the difference between 3GB vs 6GB is enough to declare that his might not be the same product. Friendly lawyers told me that here have been court decisions claiming exactly that.

It is your fault for asuming they would be the same. Nvidia gives out alot of indicators that this is not the same:

GPU-chip has a different model number:
-GP106-400-A1 (6GB) vs GP106-300-A1 (3GB)

The amount of CUDA-cores is clearly labled and communicated
-1280 vs 1152

In short, all the information are in the data-sheet you can clearly see at review sites and on the package / shop description. Since friends and family work in the justice system, I get bombarded with such trivial info. It's frustrating how uninformed most people actually are.

As long as a company as Nvidai does not misinform the customer with those specs (see GTX970 case), there is little to gain in a court. If the suitor can not proof to have been damaged, or mislead by hard evidence , the lawsuite will fail 100%. The name of a product alone does not cover this.

Believe me, law about products, brands and copyright are very complex and you have to specialize for all of them. Luckily the basics are very simple and have many things in common.

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Thus it's very understandable that consumers not knowing what we know, will not know the difference. That is very suspect to being classified as preying on consumers, which should be protected against.

Not quite right. It would be preying on the customer if the 3GB 1060 would be i.e would only be as fast as a GTX960 or had a serious defect not mentioned ahead in time after it has been aware of.

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The GTX970 situation was worse, in that Nvidia didn't disclose that only 3.5gb of the 4gb runs at the rated speed and there was 'comparatively' a massive performance hit for utilizing the last 0.5gb.

Ironically the 3,5GB issue was not the point of the lawsuite. Since the card had 4GB as advertised, this was not a breach of law. What happened to be was the information politic of Nvidia. They misinformed the customers and the press with the spec sheet for ROPS count, amount of L2-cahce and false data about the total memory interface.

They have fixed this later, but it was already too late. If I remember correctly Nvidia did offer the 970 customers a 30$ compensation for this "misunderstanding" and took the $1.3m legal fees and plaintiff’s attorneys fees.

Here is an article about it:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/07/nvidia-offers-30-to-gtx-970-customers-in-class-action-lawsuit-over-ram/

In any case the GTX 1060 is not even similar to this.
Edited by Hardware Hoshi - 8/23/16 at 8:23pm
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I answered your 1st question later in the same post. I also answered your second point in the same post. Did you reply as you read it?
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I answered your 1st question later in the same post. I also answered your second point in the same post. Did you reply as you read it?

Sorry, I did not notice. My reply was terrible bugged when I opened it. Must check this out again when I get up tomorrow.
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People are just too emotional with video cards (but not SSDs!). I guess not much is going on in their life.

Right. Seems NightAntilli guy got a lot of time to kill.
Instead of blablaing about gaming industry (full of nonsense argumentations, like a bad PR), I prefer to play video game myself and play the last Deus Ex biggrin.gif

No need to lose time with this PR wannabe ---> Ignore list
Edited by Olivon - 8/24/16 at 12:07am
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Right. Seems NightAntilli guy got a lot of time to kill.
Instead of blablaing about gaming industry (full of nonsense argumentations, like a bad PR), I prefer to play video game myself and play the last Deus Ex biggrin.gif

No need to lose time with this PR wannabe ---> Ignore list

And by saying this, you come across as a firm believer of the corporate narrative, blurring all the lines. Personal attacks shouldn't be allowed.

If the shader count is different, the cards should be named something else. No one can be blamed for thinking this is a 1060 with just half the ram. Maybe 1060 neutered edition (GTX 1060 NE) would convey the right message.
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Well simply b/c it's a shady practice. If they put a simple indentifier somewhere there would be no issue. (like LE..light edition or something) The 3GB vs 6GB alone does not denote there are any other actual differences in the models. Thus it's very understandable that consumers not knowing what we know, will not know the difference. That is very suspect to being classified as preying on consumers, which should be protected against.
It's the consumer's own responsibility to be informed about the product they're buying. This isn't a case of false advertising, NVIDIA makes it very clear it's a 3 GB VRAM card. I just realized you were talking about cores, but I still do believe it's up to the consumer to understand the difference. The core count is on the box, on store specifications lists, etc.
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It's the consumer's own responsibility to be informed about the product they're buying. This isn't a case of false advertising, NVIDIA makes it very clear it's a 3 GB VRAM card.

Yes but they are not making it clear that's it's a cut down 1060
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Yes but they are not making it clear that's it's a cut down 1060
Yeah I just realized that's what he was talking about. I still feel that the consumer is mostly responsible in this situation. If someone blindly buys a product because of a model number alone, I can't really feel that bad for them. Maybe NVIDIA should make the core count clear, but then these uninformed consumers that we're talking about would think it's a terrible product. "1050 Ti, what a terrible card, way slower than the 1060."
 
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