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Right. Seems NightAntilli guy got a lot of time to kill.
Instead of blablaing about gaming industry (full of nonsense argumentations, like a bad PR), I prefer to play video game myself and play the last Deus Ex biggrin.gif

No need to lose time with this PR wannabe ---> Ignore list
What I do with my time is my business. What I put my time into does not directly influence anyone. And in fact, I like graphics cards, and I like talking about them. And it's also partially my responsibility to not allow people to by products that are anti-consumer or become obsolete extremely quick due to planned obsolescence.
Do not worry about my time. What you buy however does influence other people on the long run because it's a direct impact on the gaming market. Worry about that instead.

Before you go around trying to put someone on the spot, think about your own faults first. You say you're going to play a certain game, and yet you're on here trolling the whole time. And rather than bringing something substantial to the table, all you can do is spout lies supporting nVidia, and telling other people they talk PR and nonsense. If you had some critical thinking skills, you might come up with something substantial to counter my arguments. Some people (like mcg75) have, and even though I disagree, their perspective is still something I can respect. But you haven't added anything valuable to the discussion at all, so... That's that... Your inability to comprehend what I said makes you call it nonsense and PR, and nothing more.

You putting me on your ignore list, you're doing me a favor. You were already on mine once, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt. That was obviously a mistake.
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Originally Posted by Diablosbud View Post

Yeah I just realized that's what he was talking about. I still feel that the consumer is mostly responsible in this situation. If someone blindly buys a product because of a model number alone, I can't really feel that bad for them. Maybe NVIDIA should make the core count clear, but then these uninformed consumers that we're talking about would think it's a terrible product. "1050 Ti, what a terrible card, way slower than the 1060."
Agreed. I wouldn't feel bad for them. I would harshly criticize them instead, because it gives nVidia the incentive to keep doing the same, and that's the last thing we need...
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Yeah I just realized that's what he was talking about. I still feel that the consumer is mostly responsible in this situation. If someone blindly buys a product because of a model number alone, I can't really feel that bad for them. Maybe NVIDIA should make the core count clear, but then these uninformed consumers that we're talking about would think it's a terrible product. "1050 Ti, what a terrible card, way slower than the 1060."

It's pretty dishonest of them , they are basically tricking their customers into thinking they are getting a 1060 for the same price or less than the competition's equivalent
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It's pretty dishonest of them , they are basically tricking their customers into thinking they are getting a 1060 for the same price or less than the competition's equivalent
I think the best solution would've been calling the 1060 6 GB "1,280 core edition" like they did with the 560 Ti. It would probably be the least bad PR way they could be more up front about it.
 
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Yes but they are not making it clear that's it's a cut down 1060

I don't know... You can go on their site and clearly see from the specs sheet that it's a cut-down model. With RX 480 for example I cannot find any information about the differences between 4GB and 8GB models. Also R9 200 series spec sheet is just ridiculous - what does up to X amount of something mean?
Edited by Smanci - 8/24/16 at 5:42am
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Some day people might understand that HBM, at least with AMD, works differently than GDDR5... I actually laugh every time I see these 2 things compared. One does not equal the other in performance or UTILIZATION. The FuryX is completely irrelevant to any argument involving this thread.


Bingo!
People actually just look at the numbers and assume the 4Gb HBM is somehow the same as 4Gb worth of DDR5/GDDR5.
Ignorant fanboys setting out to bash AMD, it has become second nature here on OCN.
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I don't know... You can go on their site and clearly see from the specs sheet that it's a cut-down model. With RX 480 for example I cannot find any information about the differences between 4GB and 8GB models. Also R9 200 series spec sheet is just ridiculous - what does up to X amount of something mean?

 

What are you numskulls talking about...?

 

Nvidia has a clear and established naming scheme and designation. Name one time, in which they took a "cut-down" chip, and named it the same as the full.. ???

 

 

 

So, please stop with the slight of hand tactics you are employing, suggesting it's legal. That is not the point. It doesn't matter that there is an *asterisk somewhere on the box to legally protect them. It is dishonest by their own standards... and shady marketing.

 

I myself had thought it was a 1060 with half the memory. I bet a good many of the people who have not read this thread on OCN, still don't know it's a cut down chip.

 

We ASSUME it is a 1060 with 3GB...  because why would it be anything else?

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I don't know... You can go on their site and clearly see from the specs sheet that it's a cut-down model. With RX 480 for example I cannot find any information about the differences between 4GB and 8GB models. Also R9 200 series spec sheet is just ridiculous - what does up to X amount of something mean?

it's the same chip in all the RX480 (and 290) cards though , just different clock speeds and memory

Not the same chip in the 1060's
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it's the same chip in all the RX480 (and 290) cards though , just different clock speeds and memory

Not the same chip in the 1060's

Both of those cases have the same outcome, loss of performance. Not saying it makes it any more acceptable, just that it's another day at the office.
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To be fair, the 4gb of memory is clocked slower than the 8gb model for the RX480 and I quite frankly don't know why AMD did that other than possibly trying to save on power consumption. However, as I've said in this and other threads, you can easily just clock it back up to 480 8gb speeds in a second. The 1060 3gb on the other hand is cut down and the buyer cannot do a thing about it. It will never match a 1060 6gb in performance per clock and therefore will never match at all. Having an unacceptable amount of vram on a 2016 card at this performance level is just icing on the cake.
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1. It's not true that you can't find information about the differences between the 4 GB and 8 GB models - on AMD's site the specs say that the memory speed is 1750 Mhz or higher and they say the same thing when it comes to bandwidth - 224 GB/s or higher - these are the minimum specs for the 4 GB model.

Proof:

http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/radeon-rx-series/radeon-rx-480





2. The difference between the 4 GB and 8 GB models isn't only the memory amount, it's also the speed; the 4 GB model is guaranteed to come at least with 7 Ghz memory, it may come with 8 Ghz, but that is at the discretion of the AIB partner; 8 GB models though are guaranteed to come with 8 Ghz memory.
 
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