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They down clocked the Intel cpu to go against Zen? Really AMD? REALLY?!?!?! "We are back" No you are not if you have to down clock a competitors chip to match the best of what you are showing. rolleyes.gif Can AMD for once in their life be 1 step ahead of Intel? I mean just ONCE. I don't care if it never happened again. Just show you are capable. They seem quite content on always finishing last with their cpu and gpu offerings.
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The increase isn't totally IPC, some of it is enhanced Word Level Paralleism.

128-bit = 4x32-bit ops or 2x64-bit ops
256-bit = 8x32-bit ops or 4x64-bit ops

There is also Skylake having 3x256-bit Packed Arithmetic Integer units. Compared to (Piledirvers)Excavators (3)2x128-bit Packed Arithmetic Integer units. XV to ZN returns to Piledriver levels for Packed Arithmetic Integer @ 3x128-bit.

This may technically be true--the Skylake part may be packing more work into fewer instructions--but the difference between instructions per clock and performance per clock is hard to distinguish, and ultimately, academic.

Core for core, clock for clock, Skylake is way, way, faster than Excavator. So much so that I'm surprised the ~80% figure strikes anyone as being particularly outlandish.
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They down clocked the Intel cpu to go against Zen? Really AMD? REALLY?!?!?! "We are back" No you are not if you have to down clock a competitors chip to match the best of what you are showing. rolleyes.gif Can AMD for once in their life be 1 step ahead of Intel? I mean just ONCE. I don't care if it never happened again. Just show you are capable. They seem quite content on always finishing last with their cpu and gpu offerings.

They were illustrating performance per clock, not trying to pit what is probably early silicon against mature production parts in a clock speed contest.
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They down clocked the Intel cpu to go against Zen? Really AMD? REALLY?!?!?! "We are back" No you are not if you have to down clock a competitors chip to match the best of what you are showing. rolleyes.gif Can AMD for once in their life be 1 step ahead of Intel? I mean just ONCE. I don't care if it never happened again. Just show you are capable. They seem quite content on always finishing last with their cpu and gpu offerings.


Um, I think the point was to compare both chip's clock per clock performance in this specific test. We don't know what the final clockspeed of any Zen SKU will be right now.
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3ghz is amds way of not show casing what the real clock speed will be. Let's hope it's higher than 3ghz considering Intel's cpus are higher than 3ghz and we all ready know how good the ipc is on the intel side.
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Originally Posted by Blameless View Post

And the benchmarks they used were accurate.
Accurate - yes. Irrelevant for other games - yes.
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You are really clueless. It's an ES CPU. That means it's an Engineering Sample, which means it is preproduction and not final silicon. The final frequency will be higher. This is what AMD demoed. Nice troll, and I award you zero points.

I was not trying to be a troll about it. I want AMD to actually succeed. Intel has the market to themselves and has priced accordingly. Its going to stay like that if AMD cant get ahead of Intel for once. Problem is. Say if they do. Intel will fire right back with an answer. Just like Nvidia on the gpu side.
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Accurate - yes. Irrelevant for other games - yes.

Exactly.

The best deceptions don't involve lies, just a partial truth and a presumptive audience.

I am 99.5% sure these Blender benchmarks are on the level.

I am almost as sure that overall Zen IPC is going to fall well short of Broadwell, because of these Blender benchmarks.
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Wide cores though redface.gif

Anyways

125TDP i'd be happy with still easy to cool

hope there is some great boards and AM4 brings all the latest features like USB 3.1 & Type C

Also Thunderbolt (I guess AMD will get the licence?)
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They down clocked the Intel cpu to go against Zen? Really AMD? REALLY?!?!?! "We are back" No you are not if you have to down clock a competitors chip to match the best of what you are showing. rolleyes.gif Can AMD for once in their life be 1 step ahead of Intel? I mean just ONCE. I don't care if it never happened again. Just show you are capable. They seem quite content on always finishing last with their cpu and gpu offerings.

Somebody wasn't paying attention to CPUs 10+ years ago.

Clock for clock comparisons are generally worthy of note. AMD has engineering samples boosting to 3.2GHz while this Intel boosts to 3.7; considering that engineering samples are early silicon and focused on stability, they're usually bound to be clocked lower than release models.
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It doesn't hurt to be exercise a little skepticism or at least be cautiously optimistic with Zen since we're talking about a post-barcelona/bulldozer AMD here.
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