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Stock jumped to over $7 a share since the video was posted. Not bad,

It's reaching $10 by the time Zen and Vega release.
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The people that bought when it was in the low $2 or even high $1 range are really going to make big.
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Clock for Clock, Core for Core , Zen is slightly faster than Broadwell ... but remember that Zen is going to compete with Skylake-E and Kaby Lake. So basically, If Zen can OC to 4.5ghz~ and cost significantly less than Intel's offering, I think AMD got a winner. Imagine if they release an unlocked 4c/8t CPU for around 200$ with Broadwell IPC thumb.gif
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Hoping Zen is a good upgrade from my 3570K.
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My body is ready, looks like my next upgrade will be Zen. thumb.gif
 
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I will take a 6/12 version with more than 30 Pcie express lanes if priced under $300. I don't want to get my hopes up, having owned the FX 8120, 8320 and 8350.
    
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Clock speeds are going to make or break this. It's going to need to reach 4ghz to be competitive for gaming. AMD's multithreaded performance was good even in 2011 with BD.. it's always been a matter of per core performance hurting them. Nice to see the gap closed a bit but there are still too many variables to confirm where it will actually sit overall as far as performance goes.

Bulldozer was sub-par even when the whole chip was used. There's a reason Thuban beat it out with the 1100T at the same clockspeed. Even then, this is comparing it to Sandy, or even Nehalem i7s, much less Ivy and Haswell. tongue.gif
     
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personally I don't care if the Zen matches an 8c/16t Intel CPU because it will probably be much cheaper than that (It's still $1000 right?)

I think pricing is key for AMD with this processor, if it can provide similar performance for a much cheaper price, it sounds like a winner to me...

(potentially lower TDP as well? 140w vs 95w?)
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There is really two ways of me seeing Zen playing out to beat Intel:

The first way is that Zen matches or beats Broadwell outright with IPC. With how little AMD can spend with R&D I just find this really difficult to see happening, unless AMD has been working on Zen ever since Bulldozer was finished. Also, since Intel has been struggling to really improve their architecture ever since Sandy Bridge, its even harder for me to believe that AMD, who messed up with K8 and Bulldozer, to make far more progress in a shorter amount of time.

The second way is that Zen is slightly slower on IPC (no more than a 20% lead by Skylake) but makes up for it with core count. Also, Zen must be cheap enough to manufacture for this to work out well. Once Zen reaches that "good enough" level of single threaded performance people are going to forgive it being slightly slower per core since it will be a much faster overall CPU than a 4 core i7 or i5.
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post #30 of 580
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personally I don't care if the Zen matches an 8c/16t Intel CPU because it will probably be much cheaper than that (It's still $1000 right?)

I think pricing is key for AMD with this processor, if it can provide similar performance for a much cheaper price, it sounds like a winner to me...

(potentially lower TDP as well? 140w vs 95w?)

At least from the PCPer article regarding Zen,
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... Instead we were left with a vague but understandable remark of “comparable TDPs to Broadwell-E."

Which to me makes sense. I don't expect an 8C/16T CPU to have a 95W TDP - if Intel can't do it, I'm not sure why people think AMD would be able to.

Although I get the feeling that even if the TDP of Broadwell-E and Zen are similar (140W) I still get this aching feeling like I'm going to hear, "In 12,000 years of constant usage, you'll save enough money in power to buy a Ferrari."-type thinking that goes on.
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