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Totally.

     
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The video mainly tells me all of this looks like AMD just tries to push up their stock price without really doing anything. If Zen is really that strong, why not shows us any number of testing data at all? Not even 1 number 1 stats? Who knows what was running with that game in demo? It could be a $10,000 system with crazy cooling to stop the heat of Zen.

Well Hotchips is this next week, we'll know more on architecture, but since Zen isn't ready for release, they can't hype it up too early or lose the hype on release, or give Intel time to push a counter.
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And if what you expect to happen actually comes true it would be a monumental achievement for AMD.

Yes I'll definitely crap purple twinkies that's for sure biggrin.gif



I want proof of that when it happens, that way I can put it next to the unicorn rainbow ice cream cone. biggrin.gifthumb.gif
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I want proof of that when it happens, that way I can put it next to the unicorn rainbow ice cream cone. biggrin.gifthumb.gif

I'm a man of my word thumb.gif I'll make it happen!
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Doubtful. The fact that AMD still manages to sell BD derivatives at all should tell you that a competitive product from AMD (and by that I mean in the Haswell arena) will likely sell in droves.

Moving a large volume doesn't help much if margins are still trash.

While I think Zen will certainly be more profitable than Bulldozer or it's direct successors ever were, but it's profitability is going to be related to die size (and this manufacturing costs) vs. what they can sell it for, not simply price vs. performance.

Zambezi and VIshera were generally priced competitively, but with a 315mm^2 die they cost as much to make as parts Intel could readily sell for several times as much.
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Moving a large volume doesn't help much if margins are still trash.

While I think Zen will certainly be more profitable than Bulldozer or it's direct successors ever were, but it's profitability is going to be related to die size (and this manufacturing costs) vs. what they can sell it for, not simply price vs. performance.

Zambezi and VIshera were generally priced competitively, but with a 315mm^2 die they cost as much to make as parts Intel could readily sell for several times as much.

 

True, but moving a large volume is a nice place to start. Working off of the assumption that AMD is able to keep costs under control, the best possible scenario would then be to sell loads of chips. That's why I refer to volume, because if AMD cannot keep costs down Zen is already DOA and that's basically an end to the conversation. Any positive speculation has to start with AMD putting out product with acceptable margins. Obviously if AMD cannot manage their costs then Zen will fail but I can't imagine that they haven't considered that with regards to the product that they're relying on for survival in the consumer and enterprise markets all at once.

     
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The video mainly tells me all of this looks like AMD just tries to push up their stock price without really doing anything. If Zen is really that strong, why not shows us any number of testing data at all? Not even 1 number 1 stats? Who knows what was running with that game in demo? It could be a $10,000 system with crazy cooling to stop the heat of Zen.

Because the chip is still about 6 months away from release... the entire press pool at the event saw and photographed the rig... it looked like it was using a wraith cooler.

The rendering tests were done in real-time at the event, in front of the press.
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Because the chip is still about 6 months away from release... the entire press pool at the event saw and photographed the rig... it looked like it was using a wraith cooler.

The rendering tests were done in real-time at the event, in front of the press.
[sarcasm]
AMD should have released clocks, TDP, platform features, full set of benchmarks and exact pricing, 4 months before actual launch to make people happy.
It would be the most awesome paper launch in years.
There's no way this could hurt AMD!!
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Like I said back when I attended the Macau event when AMD was talking about polaris, they also did some sneak peaks behind doors about Zen. Everyone who walked out just had a silly smirk on their face.

AMD cannot give too much information about Zen yet. 1. the product isn't on the shelves and won't be for quite some time yet making any published benchmarks not of retail silicon which could pose some legal issues if their claims were not 100% true. They are still setting targets based on clock speeds, TDP, and the various different sku's they will offer. For example if AMD runs around boasting their new CPU can do 4ghz with a TDP of 95 watts, but then later finds out it can only reach 3.5ghz at an tdp of 95 watts it could pose legal issues. Best option is to keep doing internal testing figure out your skews/price points based on what the CPU can do. Once the skews have been finalized with both clockspeed and TDP only then can true benchmarks be done.

Anyway mirco-op cache will really help boost AMD cpu performance. They claimed 40% over excavator, but if that were true then we'd be at haswell level performance. AMD comes out and shows they can match Broadwell. Granted there isn't much of a jump between broadwell and haswell, but still impressive none the less. They successfully perked my interest. I was on the fence about buying a hex core broadwell, now I suppose I will keep playing the waiting game.
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Like I said back when I attended the Macau event when AMD was talking about polaris, they also did some sneak peaks behind doors about Zen. Everyone who walked out just had a silly smirk on their face.

AMD cannot give too much information about Zen yet. 1. the product isn't on the shelves and won't be for quite some time yet making any published benchmarks not of retail silicon which could pose some legal issues if their claims were not 100% true. They are still setting targets based on clock speeds, TDP, and the various different sku's they will offer. For example if AMD runs around boasting their new CPU can do 4ghz with a TDP of 95 watts, but then later finds out it can only reach 3.5ghz at an tdp of 95 watts it could pose legal issues. Best option is to keep doing internal testing figure out your skews/price points based on what the CPU can do. Once the skews have been finalized with both clockspeed and TDP only then can true benchmarks be done.

Anyway mirco-op cache will really help boost AMD cpu performance. They claimed 40% over excavator, but if that were true then we'd be at haswell level performance. AMD comes out and shows they can match Broadwell. Granted there isn't much of a jump between broadwell and haswell, but still impressive none the less. They successfully perked my interest. I was on the fence about buying a hex core broadwell, now I suppose I will keep playing the waiting game.

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