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Don't forget that we are still talking about very early, pre-production chips here as Zen is at least 6 months away from production. Its possible that even AMD themselves don't exactly know the full performance potential of the final silicon yet so let's just pump the brakes on the whole "Well if it was such a winner they'd just post all the benchmarks now" talk...
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Don't forget that we are still talking about very early, pre-production chips here as Zen is at least 6 months away from production. Its possible that even AMD themselves don't exactly know the full performance potential of the final silicon yet so let's just pump the brakes on the whole "Well if it was such a winner they'd just post all the benchmarks now" talk...

I would agree in part with that. What we know is that the first engineering sampling was 2.8Ghz with 3.2Ghz parts. The 5960X is a 3Ghz part with a turbo boost of up to 3.5Ghz (on one single core) and the 6900K is a 3.2Ghz with 3.7Ghz turbo (on one single core). This means that even first sampling Zen already is practically matching the same turbo boost (albeit ~100mhz less).

In the video they supposedly shown a second engineering sample version (with turbo disabled) that reportedly is 3Ghz base. That would mean that not only has the base speed improved by 200mhz but the turbo would also likely be around 3.4Ghz (going off previous ES).

So with QS silicon or even later ES silicon we could be seeing 3.2Ghz base or even higher while keeping 95W TDP. This is something Intel is not capable of doing as their Haswell/Broadwell LGA2011-3 parts are all 140W TDP both on 22nm/14nm.
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Don't forget that we are still talking about very early, pre-production chips here as Zen is at least 6 months away from production.

Zen is at least 6 months from launch. For a Q1 2017 launch, the parts need to be in volume production now, or very soon to now.
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

Its possible that even AMD themselves don't exactly know the full performance potential of the final silicon yet so let's just pump the brakes on the whole "Well if it was such a winner they'd just post all the benchmarks now" talk...

If they don't know by now, then we'll see delays much greater than expected. The ES used in this benchmark may not be final production level stuff, but if more than the clocks and minor errata are unresolved that this point, Zen is going to be late.
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This is something Intel is not capable of doing as their Haswell/Broadwell LGA2011-3 parts are all 140W TDP both on 22nm/14nm.

TDP is a largely arbitrary figure that specifies what sort of cooling solution one needs for a part to be guaranteed to operate within spec. A high TDP rating gives Intel flexibility with clocks and yields of the consumer parts.

If there were a pressing need for a 95W rated 8c/16t 3GHz part, Intel almost certainly has the BW-E/EP yields to introduce one.
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I bid zen cannot be launched in 2016.
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I bid zen cannot be launched in 2016.

Are you trying to say "I bet"?

Well your bet is correct, Zen has been delayed to early 2017.
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Are you trying to say "I bet"?

Well your bet is correct, Zen has been delayed to early 2017.

Wait what?

I thought Lisa said small quantities of SR FX cpus could be launched in Q4 2016? Is that overruled to 2017 as well? Feck.

Man.. Zen cannot come fast enough. My 4770k feels really old and sluggish. Wouldnt be that bad if it could clock well but i lost out on the lottery.
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Zen cannot come fast enough. My 4770k feels really old and sluggish.

If you think your 4770k feels sluggish, I don't know why you'd be waiting for Zen. I don't think anyone is expecting Zen's IPC to be stronger than Haswell IPC in real-world scenarios.
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Phenom 1 wasn't good enough be cause of... node, bulldozer was supose to originally come out in 45nm but node wasn't good enough, AMD stopped investing in high end market with Steamroller cores cause node was insufficient, they skipped 20nm Nolan and Excavator altogether cause node wasn't worth it, 14nm Polaris can not match Pascal on power consumption, can anyone really hope this time it will be different?
Cause there is no way ZEN can consume less power than Boardwell, not even touch Skylake/Kaby. For desktop still it can be good enough, but there is no chance of server intel equivalent, no to mention a superior CPU. ZEN APU will be great product but it's not on horizon of it in 1 year time.
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If you think your 4770k feels sluggish, I don't know why you'd be waiting for Zen. I don't think anyone is expecting Zen's IPC to be stronger than Haswell IPC in real-world scenarios.

4770k to 5960x isnt that much? Assuming Zen does hit that, though. Im just tempted to pick one up to support the underdog since ill probably be overhauling my rig by then.
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Man.. Zen cannot come fast enough. My 4770k feels really old and sluggish. Wouldnt be that bad if it could clock well but i lost out on the lottery.

Unless you are running heavily threaded programs or rendering some pixar movie I don't see how a 4770k feels sluggish? I'd look at the rest of the rig first at that point and your OS install.
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