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4770k to 5960x isnt that much? Assuming Zen does hit that, though. Im just tempted to pick one up to support the underdog since ill probably be overhauling my rig by then.

Not in ways that would make your PC feel sluggish.

I don't blame you for wanting a new CPU.
1st gen Haswell was awful at overclocking. Lucky to get 4.4 and you better have a strong cooling solution for that.
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Unless you are running heavily threaded programs or rendering some pixar movie I don't see how a 4770k feels sluggish? I'd look at the rest of the rig first at that point and your OS install.
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Not in ways that would make your PC feel sluggish.

I don't blame you for wanting a new CPU.
1st gen Haswell was awful at overclocking. Lucky to get 4.4 and you better have a strong cooling solution for that.

I couldn't break 4.2 for mine. Had a beefy air cooler (Hyper 212 Evo and custom fans) before i switched to the Cryorig H5 universal and its TIM but no go.

Its getting worse now, keep getting lag spikes in games like GTA @Camo. Can't be the GPU as its relatively new and on stable drivers. Reapplied TIM but still getting these spikes.

Frankly, i'm done with Intel anyway so im hoping Zen is a worthwhile upgrade. Hopefully it can reach BW if not BW-E.
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Don't forget that we are still talking about very early, pre-production chips here as Zen is at least 6 months away from production.

Zen is at least 6 months from launch. For a Q1 2017 launch, the parts need to be in volume production now, or very soon to now.
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Its possible that even AMD themselves don't exactly know the full performance potential of the final silicon yet so let's just pump the brakes on the whole "Well if it was such a winner they'd just post all the benchmarks now" talk...

If they don't know by now, then we'll see delays much greater than expected. The ES used in this benchmark may not be final production level stuff, but if more than the clocks and minor errata are unresolved that this point, Zen is going to be late.
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This is something Intel is not capable of doing as their Haswell/Broadwell LGA2011-3 parts are all 140W TDP both on 22nm/14nm.

TDP is a largely arbitrary figure that specifies what sort of cooling solution one needs for a part to be guaranteed to operate within spec. A high TDP rating gives Intel flexibility with clocks and yields of the consumer parts.

If there were a pressing need for a 95W rated 8c/16t 3GHz part, Intel almost certainly has the BW-E/EP yields to introduce one.

FWIW - With Vishera I believe the earliest batch I saw was a 1229 and it was released for sale in week 1244. I ordered an 8350 within a week of release date , it is a 1235. Zen being a whole new design I think it would be remarkable if AMD match that timeline.

Some of the early leaked benchmarks from april - june of this year seem to be lining up with AMD's officially released comparison in blender and are very close ( little above in that particular bench) what Lisa Su outlined as performance goals. Seems possible that the rumors from that time might have had something behind them.

If they do get released in 2016 , I think I'll have to be pretty lucky to be able to get one due to limited supplies/ high demand.

It's gotten more interesting lately, time will tell.
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Unless you are running heavily threaded programs or rendering some pixar movie I don't see how a 4770k feels sluggish? I'd look at the rest of the rig first at that point and your OS install.

Well if he wants a fast quality video encoding(Adobe Premiere Pro or Sony Vegas Pro),biggrin.gif then he needs a Intel 8 Cores CPU but that cost a lot over 1000$.

For that reason you need a 8/16 Zen CPU, but there is no panic this Zen CPU will cost below 1000$ no doubt.wink.gif
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I couldn't break 4.2 for mine. Had a beefy air cooler (Hyper 212 Evo and custom fans) before i switched to the Cryorig H5 universal and its TIM but no go.

Its getting worse now, keep getting lag spikes in games like GTA @Camo. Can't be the GPU as its relatively new and on stable drivers. Reapplied TIM but still getting these spikes.

Frankly, i'm done with Intel anyway so im hoping Zen is a worthwhile upgrade. Hopefully it can reach BW if not BW-E.
Have you tried following this guide? http://www.tweaktown.com/guides/6800/tweaktown-s-ultimate-windows-ssd-performance-installation-guide/index.html
Turning off a bunch of power saving features for both the CPU and SATA drives made my system a lot more responsive.

I also discovered that some SATA connectors are faster than others at communicating with the CPU, even if both are technically "SATA 3" or "SATA Express". So I massively boosted my drive's performance by moving them to slots that the CPU more directly controls. Sequential doesn't really get hurt by slow communication with the CPU, but random performance absolutely tanks. My SSD was doing 3MB/s 4K Random before, now it's doing 120MB/s 4K Random after.
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nah if you need cores/threads more than core speed then you can find pretty sweet deals on used xeons
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When I saw the dual-socket mobo I got a chubby... damn at least some competition from AMD again... this will drive prices down too and we'll have a real alternative for multithreaded apps, let's see the price on those badboys though!
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dual socket for desktop pc ? damn, I thought about it some time ago but seemed unrealistic. how great would that be.
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As someone who does plenty of encoding, rendering, 3D modeling and animation (in Blender of all programs), and recording during gameplay... Intel consumer 4-cores don't cut it, but I'm not ready to drop 1K on an 6900K and however much for a decent mobo, so I'm stuck. Zen to me is basically the only answer.
Xeon not really an option as I don't necessarily want an expensive server CPU for gaming either.
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nah if you need cores/threads more than core speed then you can find pretty sweet deals on used xeons

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As someone who does plenty of encoding, rendering, 3D modeling and animation (in Blender of all programs), and recording during gameplay... Intel consumer 4-cores don't cut it, but I'm not ready to drop 1K on an 6900K and however much for a decent mobo, so I'm stuck. Zen to me is basically the only answer.
Xeon not really an option as I don't necessarily want an expensive server CPU for gaming either.

Made me think of these articles:

http://www.techspot.com/review/1218-affordable-40-thread-xeon-monster-pc/

http://www.techspot.com/review/1155-affordable-dual-xeon-pc/
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