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If this is true...

HOLY CRAP GIMMIE ONE NOW, DO IT, DO IT NOW?!?!?!?!?!? wheee.gifwheee.gif

However... need some non bias reviews first, just in case this is marketing hype like with previous generations. I also hope as other have said they give us full 40 lanes, completely unlocked chips etc etc.

(If this is actually true wouldn't that make Zen more power efficient than Intel because Intel's 6 - 10 cores run 140w and Zen is meant to be 95w eek.gif)
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What is shown in the video can be completely accurate and Zen could still windup a major disappointment to many.
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I'm betting that AMD simply demoed a test they knew Zen would excell at.

I know you very well understand all of this.
redface.gif but So what ? So has been Intel demoing tests with their completely biased compiler because they knew this is how their CPU would excel at. I still don't see any unfair done in here. Intel knows how to squeeze out most of IPC and they use their home grown compiler, simple. And I agree they are not at all responsible for optimization for AMD arch.
The only problem is for AMD if and only if ICC uses Non-Genuine path for AMD, since blender is generally/officially GCC based you don't need to be a rocket scientist to know why AMD used Blender instead of Cinebench. wink.gif

But yes you are right I'm afraid but I am gonna agree if it doesn't turn out to be a success in Cinebench or similar software, "Zen could still windup a major disappointment to many".
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If Zen performs well enough to get at least $400-$500 tier SKUs, then we would get plenty of high-end options for AM4 motherboard and we wouldn't worry about most of the issues above.

Doubt they will unless it's for a mobile unit. You see AMD has had virtualization on even their weakest of CPUs day one of a processor release.
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I have never been a fan of AMD Chipsets. I used to LOVE their CPUs but hated using VIA or AMD based chipset motherboards. I have to admit that the 990FX changed my view a tad but it is still delivering subpar USB/PCIe and I/O performance when compared to an Intel equivalent chipset.

Another thing which irks me is the lack of a decent Gigabit (or higher) NIC being integrated onto AMD platforms. I despise and loathe Realtek based chips as I find them to produce rather ****ty results. Under intense stress... I have had quite a few Realtek Integrated NICs simply fail (particularly on Gigabyte motherboards).

The Realtek audio is another point of contention. I think that if AMD is to release a full platform... they need to work on the platform itself, not just the CPU. It would be nice if TrueAudio was integrated onto the motherboard but not by using anything Realtek related. Maybe a C-Media Oxygen HD chip instead. Something which screams "High quality gaming platform".

For the NIC... if I were AMD... I would focus on convincing my motherboard partners into using Intel chips for the task (unless AMD opts to develop their own killer NIC chip). Realtek is really "THAT BAD".

I am pretty sure I am not the only one who has had to suffer the cheapness of Realtek based products. Anytime I see a nice and shiny Asus Rampage X Extreme motherboard with realtek components... I die a little inside.

The first thing I did once I bought my Asus Rampage IV Extreme motherboard was to disable the Realtek audio and use this instead...


On my AMD boxes, I have used Auzentech X-Fi Prelude 7.1 and Forte sound cards (varying on if there was a PCIe or PCI slot available). Realtek just really sucks and sounds like you're listening to music/movies/video games from within a tin can the moment you buy a pair of high-grade headphones (like Sennheiser etc).

 

Most high end gaming boards have better sound... than stand alone cards.

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I have been with AMD since my first Athlon 800, finally shifted to skylake on Tuesday. Hopefully this turns out to be a performer so I can switch back for my next chip.
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I am sure cinebenches will leak soon...

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I have never been a fan of AMD Chipsets. I used to LOVE their CPUs but hated using VIA or AMD based chipset motherboards. I have to admit that the 990FX changed my view a tad but it is still delivering subpar USB/PCIe and I/O performance when compared to an Intel equivalent chipset.


Another thing which irks me is the lack of a decent Gigabit (or higher) NIC being integrated onto AMD platforms. I despise and loathe Realtek based chips as I find them to produce rather ****ty results. Under intense stress... I have had quite a few Realtek Integrated NICs simply fail (particularly on Gigabyte motherboards).


The Realtek audio is another point of contention. I think that if AMD is to release a full platform... they need to work on the platform itself, not just the CPU. It would be nice if TrueAudio was integrated onto the motherboard but not by using anything Realtek related. Maybe a C-Media Oxygen HD chip instead. Something which screams "High quality gaming platform".


For the NIC... if I were AMD... I would focus on convincing my motherboard partners into using Intel chips for the task (unless AMD opts to develop their own killer NIC chip). Realtek is really "THAT BAD".


I am pretty sure I am not the only one who has had to suffer the cheapness of Realtek based products. Anytime I see a nice and shiny Asus Rampage X Extreme motherboard with realtek components... I die a little inside.


The first thing I did once I bought my Asus Rampage IV Extreme motherboard was to disable the Realtek audio and use this instead...




On my AMD boxes, I have used Auzentech X-Fi Prelude 7.1 and Forte sound cards (varying on if there was a PCIe or PCI slot available). Realtek just really sucks and sounds like you're listening to music/movies/video games from within a tin can the moment you buy a pair of high-grade headphones (like Sennheiser etc).

Most high end gaming boards have better sound... than stand alone cards.

And AMD GPUs have better sound than high end gaming boards.

To this day, I don't understand how to enable it.
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post #48 of 580
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Most high end gaming boards have better sound... than stand alone cards.

I don't really care about on-board sound as long as it has optical output since I use external DAC anyways.
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post #49 of 580
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I am sure cinebenches will leak soon...

I am well sure of that too lol. I hope Zen should not turn out to be a disaster in that.
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Every time i hear news of zen, i feel bad for my sweet ol' phenom 960t. Its turning archaic real fast with 7 years and counting on him. There is just something about the Phenom IIs that feels magical and legendary. I would sell my 5820k any time, but would never sell my Phenom 960t. I dont know what it is.

The PII's were epic man.
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