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designed a gun 100 years ago doesnt mean he knows how to make nuclear bomb now.

A completely worthless and incorrect analogy.
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I don't think you understand how small the changes in x86 designs really are over the years.

Then you cannot understand why AMD is so behind for so many years.
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The most irony part is wiki says Jim left amd in 2015 after 3 years of zen project. Why would he leave if he thinks zen will be great.
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Then you cannot understand why AMD is so behind for so many years.
AMD failed because Instead of working with their already very successful K8/K10 architecture and making improvements to it, they tossed it all out and replaced it with Bulldozer, which turned out to be a collosal mistake.

Intel did the same thing when they abandoned the "P6" architecture of the Pentium 3 in favor of "Netburst" for the Pentium 4. The Pentium 4 was not a good processor - extremely power hungry with poor IPC (seem familiar?). Intel eventually revisited the P6 architecture for their Pentium M offerings, which laid the groundwork for their "Core" series of processors.
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The most irony part is wiki says Jim left amd in 2015 after 3 years of zen project. Why would he leave if he thinks zen will be great.
Why would he stay if his job was done? Jim Keller only worked at AMD for ~2 years when he designed their most successful product ever - K8. He left AMD before K8 was even launched.
Edited by AmericanLoco - 8/24/16 at 8:14pm
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AMD is behind because of a series of bad CEOs and terrible management decisions spanning a decade.
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The most irony part is wiki says Jim left amd in 2015 after 3 years of zen project. Why would he leave if he thinks zen will be great.

Because he's a CPU designer and major CPU (re)designs are not something that is repeated very often.

He left DEC after working on one of the most successful Alpha designs, left AMD immediately after work on K7 and K8 (AMD's greatest successes ever), Boradcom after 3-4 years as chief architect, Apple after the A4 and A5, etc.

There is no reason for AMD to be eager to retain and pay him after major design work on Zen was complete, because there will only be incremental changes to the architecture for the next 5-10 years.
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Their past offerings have nothing to do with Zen, you should understand that. Zen is ground up, large budget, with the best team and technology. It has just as much of a chance of success as any new architecture Intel, or anyone, launches.

People really need to stop tying Zen's potential performance to anything prior from AMD in terms of hardware. The only commonality between Zen and AMD's past is Jim Keller himself being back.

You missed my point. I know Zen has little to do with BD but the performance gap between AMD and Intel still is what it is. To suddenly completely close that gap with a single release would be a very impressive feat even with a clean-sheet design. Especially in market perception.
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AMD failed because Instead of working with their already very successful K8/K10 architecture and making improvements to it, they tossed it all out and replaced it with Bulldozer, which turned out to be a collosal mistake.

Intel did the same thing when they abandoned the "P6" architecture of the Pentium 3 in favor of "Netburst" for the Pentium 4. The Pentium 4 was not a good processor - extremely power hungry with poor IPC (seem familiar?). Intel eventually revisited the P6 architecture for their Pentium M offerings, which laid the groundwork for their "Core" series of processors.
Why would he stay if his job was done? Jim Keller only worked at AMD for ~2 years when he designed their most successful product ever - K8. He left AMD before K8 was even launched.

he left amd because he predicted mobile cpu was future. He left zen project with no clear reason.
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He left AMD to become the chief architect for Tesla's autopilot system. The guy doesn't stay ANYWHERE very long and is always on the lookout for the next challenge. There is absolutely zero reason to believe Zen will be a failure just because Keller left AMD after its completion. That's the nature of the job he took with them; there's really not anymore for him to do with this architecture since it will not be clean-sheet replaced for a long time...
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he left amd because he predicted mobile cpu was future. He left zen project with no clear reason.

 

Your ignorance is breathtaking. That or your trolling is simply atrocious. If it is the latter I suggest that you join Chev at the feet of Lord Huang for further instruction.

 

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He left AMD to become the chief architect for Tesla's autopilot system. The guy doesn't stay ANYWHERE very long and is always on the lookout for the next challenge. There is absolutely zero reason to believe Zen will be a failure just because Keller left AMD after its completion. That's the nature of the job he took with them; there's really not anymore for him to do with this architecture since it will not be clean-sheet replaced for a long time...

 

Exactly. He's a career nomad who evidently abhors the day-to-day grind of optimisation/refinement. He's an architect and a builder. He leaves the fine-tuning to others better suited to those tasks.


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Your ignorance is breathtaking. That or your trolling is simply atrocious. If it is the latter I suggest that you join Chev at the feet of Lord Huang for further instruction.

so you think I troll because I can logically explain why zen should be a troll?
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