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Well... in the coming months... we'll get to see who the Intel fans are as I am expecting that whole fan battle to start up again.

Myself? I am going to buy the CPU which gives me as many cores as possible delivering good performance at a price that doesn't break the bank. For me... that means any CPU with 6+ cores. I am never going to buy a quad core again. That is yesterday's CPU.

6 Core minimum for any new purchase from me.

If AMD can deliver that... I will go AMD.
If Intel can deliver that... I will go Intel.

The only ace in the hole is the platform. AMD has to deliver a solid platform to go with Zen. The Intel platform is fantastic.

 

We are of a mind on this. My next build will be Zen or Skylake-X. The chipset will be huge. AMD just cannot lag behind, and I'm optimistic as they're putting all of their eggs into the AM4 basket. Unified platform should mean unified effort and hopefully that will translate into a competitive range of boards that offer something near parity with Intel's in terms of features, connectivity, and performance.

     
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I'd much rather see that AVX2 be fetched in a single cycle. It would bring a lot to the table to run 256bit for floating point instructions. That's where it's at right there.

Number of instruction decoded per cycle do not tell the whole story, there are tens to hundreds of clocks are used during the fetch/decode and execute and memory operations (both in Intel and AMD) before you get the final result. Even if Zen has to decode more instructions per clock, improvements in other areas might do well in AVX2 like scenarios. But for now, it is all theoretical. We don't even know if Intel compiler is allowing full flops for AMD CPUs after seeing the old ICC behavior nor do but even before all of that Intel compiler thing we don't even know what what ISA has AMD included for similar operations, and if there are any will they be supported by MSVC or GCC or etc ? It is all speculation for now, nothing is confirmed except the 256 bit AVX1 per clock part.

True true.

I'd like to simply see more is all. So far we have lots of speculation. A quick promising benchmark. And a whole lot of buzz going around. Very interested in gaming. Will it vastly improve that CSGO experience? Hows the virtual sever running on it?

I'm sure we'll see a lot of new instructions.

And then perhaps new steppings later down the road if they carry that tradition (tick tock if you want to call it that.)

I'd also like to see some previews of some top end AM4 motherboards.....
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Will it vastly improve that CSGO experience?

CSGO isn't exactly a demanding game, current low-mid range Intel and AMD CPU's are already plenty capable and won't even break a sweat running CSGO.

Unless you're referring to APU's for above 1080p or high(120-144) fps. I'm sure those will be significantly better.
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It was just a blender run. How about Winrar. Hows DDR4 latency. Read write on and so on......

Well, WinRAR is a real, commonly used app. Raw memory latency is less relevant, and what is relevant about it will probably be reflected in WinRAR (which is extremely sensitive to memory performance).

If I'm trying to get a quick gauge of a processor's overall performance, I run WinRAR, 7-zip, x264/265, TrueCrypt, Blender, Dolphin, and maybe a CPU limited game or two. If I have more time, I run a broader range of benchmarks, including virtualization (something I use my systems for) and synthetics.
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Again, Blender by itself is just another benchmark. You run it, get a score and bam compare. That's what HWBot is all about no?

HWBot is geared around benching for the sake of benching, while most people outside the benching scene care about benchmark scores only so far as they are representative of how well something can do actual work. A lot of the stuff on HWBot is pretty divorced from actual application performance.
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I follow what you are saying. I am not in disagreement, but also not familiar with it. Not looking for an argument, but pretty much stating that it's not as common as you say it is. Really when AMD released this, I really never heard of it. I read daily at OC forums. It's not exactly at the top of what people compare with. You can easily view the threads here to see this. And also just because you say it's valid and commonly used also does not make me some kind of believer that AMD ZEN outperforms Intel i7 6900K stock for stock or clock for clock.

But it does look somewhat promising. I'll give it that much! But even a pretty avid AMD user, I remain skeptical to be completely honest.

If you look at my posts on this topic, you'll see that I am highly skeptical of the idea that Zen is an all-round match for Broadwell-E, but that doesn't detract from Blender's relevance. It a good piece of the puzzle to have, even if we'll need several more to get a clear picture of what Zen can do.
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Gilles, CSGO was just an off the top of my head example. I think I know more gamers that have that game installed than almost every other game out there lol! But hey we all hang in different crowds.

Blameless..... All I got for a response is a big thumb.gif thumbs up man.
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This thing better also have PCIe 4

AMD has been lagging too far behind in I/O too.
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This thing better also have PCIe 4

AMD has been lagging too far behind in I/O too.
APUs have been ahead of Intel in the I/O game. The CPU took a dump because consumers didn't want FM2 - Komodo / CG2012 - Sepang/Terramar.

PCIe 4.0 has to be official spec'ed out by PCI-SIG. So, PCIe 4.0 hopes are denied till Raven Ridge and Summit Ridge+.
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Im exited about Raven Ridge, so many people can get into PC gaming while purchasing just the processor. Same thing goes for Bristol Ridge, having little worse CPU performance but more FPS is a fair deal, also cost effective 28nm process with HDL makes it really really nice product. Now if only AMD could sell it with descent margin.
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Blender



it can't be real.
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A lot of folks were not around prior to 2006. They know not what they say...

They never experienced these platforms... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Ah good times, i had the Abit AV8 back in 2005, solid mobo with many extras for a great price compared to top-end(i got it for 120 euros). Funny thing is that most of the features it had back then, only exist in ROG mobos now. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

It even had a small screen with clocks,fans, temps which you could change on-the-fly...i killed the board after some hwbot suicide runs to 3.5Ghz a few years ago, which i regret now :/ Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Edited by Marios145 - 8/26/16 at 5:26am
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