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So we can conclude that Intel has sold "more than a few" of them, but nothing more than that. The number of people who would drop that stupid level of money on a CPU when you can get something with 60% of the performance for 25% of the price or 80% of the performance for 58% of the price... Well it's not going to be all that many. Not compared to the enormous amount of laptops and OEM products with Intel CPUs, and even budget minded enthusiasts who will smartly buy a 6 core CPU instead. The market for a 6950X is nothing that AMD needs to even be thinking about right now.

If they could pop out an equivalent chip for $200, you don't think people would scoop them up?
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If they could pop out an equivalent chip for $200, you don't think people would scoop them up?

 

Obviously, but of course they cannot. As the market leader with an enormous advantage in terms of budget and market-share Intel can afford to release a chip for every possible spending tier. At the 6950x level you win performance and thus buyers, or you do not. That's just not a tier at which the majority of purchasers are terribly concerned with price/performance. At the lowest end of the HEDT lineup, maybe AMD can compete in terms of performance and with a slightly better price. That's a large maybe in and of itself. But to start competing again at the 6950x tier, AMD needs to first achieve stable financial footing.

     
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So AMD ZEN Pricing. Based on what you know right now.

250$ US or less, would you buy it? <---- This is where I stand.

300$ US or less, would you buy it?

500$ US or less, would you buy it?

We don't really know all that much now, especially about clock speed potential

If Zen can give me more performance than I have now (a 4.3GHz 5820K) for less money than the least expensive Intel SKU that is an appreciable upgrade to what I have now (a 6900K), then that's what I'll buy.
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besides, if zen is faster than a 4790k it's faster in gaming than a 6950x anyway.

There is quite a bit of room for an eight-core part to be considerably faster than a 4790K in aggregate CPU performance yet still fall short of a 6950X in gaming.
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Not sure why people keep bringing up the 6950X, Its a CPU that doesn't have a market, nor is it the chip zen will compete with.
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Not sure why people keep bringing up the 6950X, Its a CPU that doesn't have a market, nor is it the chip zen will compete with.

"Its a CPU that doesn't have a market," wait wut..?
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I expect 600 for the top SKU. I budget about 1k for CPU,board and DDR4 for it. Mobos will be cheaper than X99 for sure.

AMD has historically had better chipsets than Intel, so I am looking forward to see what they do versus X109.

But I am willing to pay around $600 for something that is close enough to an 8-core Intel and is faster than Intel's 4- and 6-core CPUs.
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"Its a CPU that doesn't have a market," wait wut..?

Its a confused chip, a Xeon-esque i7 that's trying to be marketed towards consumers at a Xeon price tag. If you require a processor for a workload that requires more than 8 cores, there are better options with real xeons.
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Its a confused chip, a Xeon-esque i7 that's trying to be marketed towards consumers at a Xeon price tag. If you require a processor for a workload that requires more than 8 cores, there are better options with real xeons.

I'm convinced the 6950X is for people who got rich off of a startup who want to build a computer and literalyl don't care about the price.
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We don't really know all that much now, especially about clock speed potential

If Zen can give me more performance than I have now (a 4.3GHz 5820K) for less money than the least expensive Intel SKU that is an appreciable upgrade to what I have now (a 6900K), then that's what I'll buy.
There is quite a bit of room for an eight-core part to be considerably faster than a 4790K in aggregate CPU performance yet still fall short of a 6950X in gaming.

i mean unless you didn't even bother to look at the benchmarks i linked to.

a 4790k on average is within a margin of error behind a a 6950x in gaming.
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i mean unless you didn't even bother to look at the benchmarks i linked to.

a 4790k on average is within a margin of error behind a a 6950x in gaming.

I'm well aware of the performance of the two parts.

I'll rephrase my statement for clarity: Zen can be way faster than 4790K overall and still be slower than both the 4790K and 6950X in gaming. Indeed I suspect that will be the case when it comes to the 8c/16t Zen parts...which no one should be buying explicitly for gaming anyway.
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