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I'm well aware of the performance of the two parts.

I'll rephrase my statement for clarity: Zen can be way faster than 4790K overall and still be slower than both the 4790K and 6950X in gaming. Indeed I suspect that will be the case when it comes to the 8c/16t Zen parts...which no one should be buying explicitly for gaming anyway.

faster overall in what exactly?
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faster overall in what exactly?

Anything well-threaded and any heavy multi-tasking scenario, which is the overwhelming bulk of the market for powerful CPUs.
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faster overall in what exactly?

Applications that can take advantage of all its 8c/16t?

Just like the Broadwell-E CPU's can be faster than a 6700K, yet are mostly slower at gaming.
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Anything well-threaded and any heavy multi-tasking scenario, which is the overwhelming bulk of the market for powerful CPUs.
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Applications that can take advantage of all its 8c/16t?

Just like the Broadwell-E CPU's can be faster than a 6700K, yet are mostly slower at gaming.

which is why i specifically said gaming.

not cinebench, not blender, not handbrake.

gaming.
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what's the point?

i don't really think those 1700+ dollar cpus are flying off the shelf anyway.

besides, if zen is faster than a 4790k it's faster in gaming than a 6950x anyway.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10337/the-intel-broadwell-e-review-core-i7-6950x-6900k-6850k-and-6800k-tested-up-to-10-cores/8

look gaming.

and look it even says if.

now i'm gonna have to try and get other peoples words out of my mouth.
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which is why i specifically said gaming.

not cinebench, not blender, not handbrake.

gaming.
look gaming.

and look it even says if.

now i'm gonna have to try and get other peoples words out of my mouth.

The grammar of your statement didn't specify gaming for the 4790K, only for the 6950X. I could have assumed you meant gaming for the 4790K, but that was far from a sure thing, and I didn't want to put words in your mouth.
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The grammar of your statement didn't specify gaming for the 4790K, only for the 6950X. I could have assumed you meant gaming for the 4790K, but that was far from a sure thing, and I didn't want to put words in your mouth.

one could extrapolate that i meant gaming when i said gaming.

sure i could have wrote it but i thought saying gaming at the end made it the topic for the whole thought.

unless someone has said

since this is better at cinebench it has to be better at tomb raider.

but i don't think anyone with half a brain has said that.
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If you want to improve gaming performance, buy a faster graphics card. Even getting a 6700K is a waste of money for gaming (assuming you have a limited budget and would spend the $100 you save with a 6600K on a video card).
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This statement dates you, completely.

AMD was the leader in CPU performance for years, and did command a premium. They proved, decades ago, they are more than capable in producing a superior product than Intel. Jim Keller himself has a proven record in architecture design as well.

The problem(s) that plague AMD have been money and trying to keep a dead architecture alive. Thankfully Zen was just a big reset button for them. AMD has more than enough history behind them to command pricing, when their hardware justifies it.

This almost made me tear up, I missed the old days
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THEN....

You have this stuff....
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Microsoft made 'em do it: The latest Kaby Lake, Zen chips will support only Windows 10

No official support for W7 or 8.1. W10 users only AMD and Intel to comply.

There goes Microsoft trying to make more moneys.

But what does that even mean? If I try to use W7 it will just blue screen on install lol?
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But what does that even mean? If I try to use W7 it will just blue screen on install lol?
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Windows 10 will be the only supported Windows platform on Intel's upcoming 'Kaby Lake' silicon, Qualcomm's upcoming '8996' silicon, and AMD's upcoming 'Bristol Ridge' silicon.
The exact reasons were not described for the specific supported platforms either.
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ANY piece of hardware with Intel chipset purchased starting late 2016 and into early 2017 can only run Windows 10.
This isn't true though, which is weird. Also, if I buy a Intel chipset in late 2017 I could possibly run it on Windows 7/8.1?

I could understand Windows 10 in later builds forcing AVX2.

VIA Isiash II -> Catherine support AVX2.
AMD Excavator -> Zen support AVX2.
Intel Haswell -> Coffee Lake support AVX2.

All three well known x86-64 makers have AVX2. With two newcomers from India and China coming out soon with only AVX, AVX2 support. (One has a dynamic translator not transmeta based, the other has a JIT decoder for sse2avx conversion)

I can understand a blockade, but not a forced inclusion that isn't really forced.
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For those that argue about 256-bit AVX. You forgot about 128-bit SSE2 back in the day;
K8 -> At a decoding stage vector 128-bit SSE-instructions are split into two MOPs that process 64-bit halves of a 128-bit operand and are executed successively in different clocks. It not only slows down vector instructions processing, but cuts down in half the effective size of the FPU scheduler buffer and as a result reduces the depth of out-of-order instructions execution.

K10 processor has the floating-point units width increased to 128 bit. K10 processes vector 128-bit operands in a single operation, which doubles the theoretical processing speed for vector SSE-instructions compared with K8. Moreover, since there are twice fewer MOPs now, the effective length of the scheduler queue increases, which allows for deeper out-or-order execution.
Edited by Seronx - 8/30/16 at 10:56pm
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