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I trust Jim Keller because he designed the legendary K7 generation. thumb.gif

Myron Samuel Scholes - Nobel Prize Winner
Robert Merton - Nobel laureate in Economics - Nobel Laureate

Everyone trusted them, they had succeeded, were recognised by society. Then they almost destroyed the world with their LTCM hedge fund.


Having said that, Keller is no guarantee that Zen will be as good as 'the legendary K7 generation'. People should stop with the hype and wait for actual results.


For those who claim that AMD will offer a cheap Zen flagship.

Remember these prices?



I got mine for 822 pounds back then.
Edited by Wishmaker - 9/1/16 at 3:40am
 
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AMD had been on the lead, both desktops and servers for quite a while when the FX-62 hit. Granted, the higher frequency AM2 chips were the beginning of the decline (Core2 had already launched by then).

 

They're not in the same position anymore, so pricing will need to be according to that.

   
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post #563 of 580
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Originally Posted by Wishmaker View Post

Myron Samuel Scholes - Nobel Prize Winner
Robert Merton - Nobel laureate in Economics - Nobel Laureate

Everyone trusted them, they had succeeded, were recognised by society. Then they almost destroyed the world with their LTCM hedge fund.


Having said that, Keller is no guarantee that Zen will be as good as 'the legendary K7 generation'. People should stop with the hype and wait for actual results.


For those who claim that AMD will offer a cheap Zen flagship.

Remember these prices?



I got mine for 822 pounds back then.
You are funny man but it's not the same thing.
Those are economists and economy is not a fixed science. You can be 100% right and still things can turn out wrong(I'm talking about predictions).

Keller is a valued professional in his workfield because of his results. You argument is like: using one of the best architects in the world won't guarantee the success of your project.
Obviously he is great at what he is doing and most likely AMD made sure he had all the resources he needed because that is the most plausible way his design could fail, if he cut corners because of the lack of resources.

The way I see it Zen could only disappoint in terms of process node, if 14nm doesn't allow for high enough clocks and it affects temperatures and efficiency in a negative way.
Edited by Serios - 9/1/16 at 4:39am
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Originally Posted by Artikbot View Post

AMD had been on the lead, both desktops and servers for quite a while when the FX-62 hit. Granted, the higher frequency AM2 chips were the beginning of the decline (Core2 had already launched by then).

They're not in the same position anymore, so pricing will need to be according to that.
Yeah AMD is not in a position to match Intel's prices.
500-600$ for the top Zen CPU will massively increase their current profit margins anyway.
post #565 of 580
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Originally Posted by Wishmaker View Post

Myron Samuel Scholes - Nobel Prize Winner
Robert Merton - Nobel laureate in Economics - Nobel Laureate

Everyone trusted them, they had succeeded, were recognised by society. Then they almost destroyed the world with their LTCM hedge fund.


Having said that, Keller is no guarantee that Zen will be as good as 'the legendary K7 generation'. People should stop with the hype and wait for actual results.


For those who claim that AMD will offer a cheap Zen flagship.

Remember these prices?



I got mine for 822 pounds back then.


Keller has never produced a Flop Architecture,

As for those Prices.... What were the Intel Equivalent CPU Prices?
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Keller has never produced a Flop Architecture,
...and K9(Bulldozer) was an interpretation of a fix to Willamette (P68), by an engineer who worked on P6 and then on Nehalem(P6/Core/Core 2-derived).
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Shared Intel achievement award for the P6 microarchitecture, arguably most successful microprocessor design ever, descendants stll in use.
Guess who..

Then, there was this guy;
Mc88K family - Mc88100/Mc88200
SPARC V8 & SPARC V9
Advanced Synchronization Facility for AMD64

Then, then there was this guy;
PowerPC 601
POWER4

Yet, Bulldozer was a hmm?
Edited by Seronx - 9/1/16 at 8:39am
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...and K9(Bulldozer) was an interpretation of a fix to Willamette (P68), by an engineer who worked on P6 and then on Nehalem(P6/Core/Core 2-derived).
Guess who..
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Shared Intel achievement award for the P6 microarchitecture, arguably most successful microprocessor design ever, descendants stll in use.
Guess who..
Andy Glew, he left AMD 3 years before Bulldozer development even started. He proposed the idea, but had almost nothing at all to do with Bulldozer as product besides the basic idea. Before Bulldozer was even released, Andy was on record as saying that AMD's implementation of CMT was not very good.

Mike Butler was the chief architect of Bulldozer. He never worked for Intel.
Edited by AmericanLoco - 9/1/16 at 8:55am
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Mike Butler was the chief architect of Bulldozer.
Chief Architects;
Andy Glew -> Design 1 (Gen 0)
Mitch Alsup -> K9 (90nm(2004) - 65nm(2006) - 45nm(2008) Gen 1, 1.1, 1.2)
Charles R. Moore -> Bulldozer (45nm(2009) - 32nm(2010) Gen 2, 2.1)
Mike Butler -> Bulldozer/Piledriver/Steamroller2A (32nm(2011) - 32nm(2012), 28nm(2013) Gen 3, Gen 3.5(Viperfish, Komodo, Sepang, Terramar), Gen 4A)
Dude #A -> Design 2B (Gen 0) - Steamroller/Excavator
Dudes #BA-BZ -> Steamroller/Excavator/ExcavatorMk2 (28nm(2014), 28nm(2015), 28nm(2016) Gen 4B, 5, 5.1)
Edited by Seronx - 9/1/16 at 9:34am
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Chief Architects;
Andy Glew -> Design 1 (Gen 0)
Mitch Alsup -> K9 (90nm(2004) - 65nm(2006) - 45nm(2008) Gen 1, 1.1, 1.2)
Charles R. Moore -> Bulldozer (45nm(2009) - 32nm(2010) Gen 2, 2.1)
Mike Butler -> Bulldozer/Piledriver/Steamroller2A (32nm(2011) - 32nm(2012), 28nm(2013) Gen 3, Gen 3.5(Viperfish, Komodo, Sepang, Terramar), Gen 4A)
Dude #A -> Design 2B (Gen 0) - Steamroller/Excavator
Dudes #BA-BZ -> Steamroller/Excavator/ExcavatorMk2 (28nm(2014), 28nm(2015), 28nm(2016) Gen 4B, 4.1, 4.2)
Sometimes i wonder if you're a real person, or some kind of deep-learning AI
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Chief Architects;
Andy Glew -> Design 1 (Gen 0)
Mitch Alsup -> K9 (90nm(2004) - 65nm(2006) - 45nm(2008) Gen 1, 1.1, 1.2)
Charles R. Moore -> Bulldozer (45nm(2009) - 32nm(2010) Gen 2, 2.1)
You can't just make stuff up like "Gen 0" and pretend it's a real thing. Andy Glew didn't even touch Bulldozer. He literally drew out a diagram on a whiteboard pitching the idea and that was about it. He's on record stating as far as he knew, the whole idea of CMT died when he left AMD. He was surprised to find Bulldozer was CMT when AMD announced it in ~2008-2009.

K9 is also completely irrelevant to bulldozer and never even existed in a tangible form. It was canceled after just 6 months of development in ~2003 - if it was even ind development at all.
Edited by AmericanLoco - 9/1/16 at 9:45am
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