Originally Posted by Blameless
What is shown in the video can be completely accurate and Zen could still windup a major disappointment to many.
Precisely. You can make anything look good, if you choose the benchmarks.
The problem is, how does this thing perform overall against Intel's offerings? Can they get a 40% IPC improvement on average?
There is one potential takeaway - Zen might have potential for embarrassingly parallel applications.
At this point, we gotta wait for a lot of leaks and won't have the full picture until we get launch day reviews, plus we will need a large sample of OCN members to see the OC headroom.
Originally Posted by Mahigan
I have never been a fan of AMD Chipsets. I used to LOVE their CPUs but hated using VIA or AMD based chipset motherboards. I have to admit that the 990FX changed my view a tad but it is still delivering subpar USB/PCIe and I/O performance when compared to an Intel equivalent chipset.
Another thing which irks me is the lack of a decent Gigabit (or higher) NIC being integrated onto AMD platforms. I despise and loathe Realtek based chips as I find them to produce rather ****ty results. Under intense stress... I have had quite a few Realtek Integrated NICs simply fail (particularly on Gigabyte motherboards).
The Realtek audio is another point of contention. I think that if AMD is to release a full platform... they need to work on the platform itself, not just the CPU. It would be nice if TrueAudio was integrated onto the motherboard but not by using anything Realtek related. Maybe a C-Media Oxygen HD chip instead. Something which screams "High quality gaming platform".
For the NIC... if I were AMD... I would focus on convincing my motherboard partners into using Intel chips for the task (unless AMD opts to develop their own killer NIC chip). Realtek is really "THAT BAD".
I am pretty sure I am not the only one who has had to suffer the cheapness of Realtek based products. Anytime I see a nice and shiny Asus Rampage X Extreme motherboard with realtek components... I die a little inside.
The first thing I did once I bought my Asus Rampage IV Extreme motherboard was to disable the Realtek audio and use this instead...
On my AMD boxes, I have used Auzentech X-Fi Prelude 7.1 and Forte sound cards (varying on if there was a PCIe or PCI slot available). Realtek just really sucks and sounds like you're listening to music/movies/video games from within a tin can the moment you buy a pair of high-grade headphones (like Sennheiser etc).
This. A big part of the value proposition is not just the CPU performance (either multi or single threaded), or performance per watt, but also the platform itself and what it has to offer.
IMO for now, Intel seems to make the best networking equipment on motherboards. I don't think that we will see anything quite like the i219V on AMD's Zen platform.
One big problem I have heard with motherboard manufacturers and why they stick with Realtek is that they provide drivers quickly. That is not the case with all of other manufacturers. It sucks though for us enthusiasts, but for the forseeable future, a discrete sound card or external DAC will remain a must have item. This was the interview:http://www.anandtech.com/show/10126/anandtech-round-table-with-asus-10-years-of-republic-of-gamers
We do know that AMD banded up with Asmedia for their USB 3.1 support. Sadly this is the result of laying off their team at Markham that could have done this.
Originally Posted by Mahigan
I hope so... because even current and past high-end AMD motherboards have simply never been on the same level as high end Intel based motherboards. I really hope AMD changes things around this time. They really need to get away from the cheap brand moniker and start to Apple their stuff.
It will come down to whether or not manufacturers of motherboards think that there is a market for something like the Rampage Extreme, the XPower, the G1 Gaming, and the Extreme 11, to use an Intel HEDT analogy.
I think that the performance will have to be good for the motherboard makers to justify it.Edited by CrazyElf - 8/18/16 at 5:35pm