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post #71 of 580
AMD is all about marketing hype.

Thier processors haven't been competitive for a very long time. Throwing moar coars at it just didn't work.

Once you look at benchmarking results like super PI. AMD is so slow they have to have their category. Sorry not buying into the hype.

http://www.overclock.net/t/62298/official-superpi-32m-top-times
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Exactly. I'm with the 'proceed with caution' guys.

The question is what scenario are we being presented with? Is this an "under promise, over deliver" scenario - where AMD shows one reasonable, if nothing extraordinary result in the absence of more information, but is withholding even better ones from other benchmarks; the opposite and this is a cherry picked scenario and the focus on production clockspeeds at a given TDP will be even greater to compensate, or an average scenario where this is what we are essentially getting?

We still need to know how these are going to clock. We now officially know that they can do 3.0 Ghz, but Broadwell-E is clocked faster than that out of the box, so what speed can Zen do and at what TDP and what are the performance metrics in other benchmarks and games and productivity software?
I am on the "caution" side but still even if they Fall short of performance to matching broadwell-E, seeing that they compare with broadwell-E, that 8 core would easily be as least as fast as an 8 core Ivy-bridge at the worst intel-favored benchmark. I am happy for that.

The real question is, are they gonna price very aggressively? (AMD hasnt been very good in price/performance lately)
If the top 8 core is selling at 6700K price, it will be a win regardless.
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post #73 of 580
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Originally Posted by DrFPS View Post

AMD is all about marketing hype.

Thier processors haven't been competitive for a very long time. Throwing moar coars at it just didn't work.

Once you look at benchmarking results like super PI. AMD is so slow they have to have their category. Sorry not buying into the hype.

http://www.overclock.net/t/62298/official-superpi-32m-top-times

Depends on the market, but even the moar cores market was locked out by ARM and Intel.
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I am on the "caution" side but still even if they Fall short of performance to matching broadwell-E, seeing that they compare with broadwell-E, that 8 core would easily be as least as fast as an 8 core Ivy-bridge at the worst intel-favored benchmark. I am happy for that.

The real question is, are they gonna price very aggressively? (AMD hasnt been very good in price/performance lately)
If the top 8 core is selling at 6700K price, it will be a win regardless.

That seems about right for me anyway. If this 16 thread chip is priced around $350 to price compete with the 6700k I'll bite for sure.

But if it's priced absurdly higher then inevitably drops to 6700k prices than that looks bad. That's what worries me most. Their consumers perception.
post #75 of 580
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Originally Posted by DrFPS View Post

AMD is all about marketing hype.

Thier processors haven't been competitive for a very long time. Throwing moar coars at it just didn't work.

Once you look at benchmarking results like super PI. AMD is so slow they have to have their category. Sorry not buying into the hype.

http://www.overclock.net/t/62298/official-superpi-32m-top-times

Yeah...because Superpi is something the average consumer and OEM's are deeply concerned about.
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Yeah...because Superpi is something the average consumer and OEM's are deeply concerned about.
Well it is a good measure of single-threaded performance. The average consumer doesn't run the most well programmed applications.
 
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There are quite a few software software solutions that can do that perfectly fine.

Razer Surround for example works just as well as build in surround decoders on sound cards.

Exactly... (Razer surround installed)


I have an Asus Xonar Essence STX sound card and I use Razer Surround when gaming. I also tend to couple Razer surround with Dolby Headphone in order to create a truly immersive experience. When listening to music... I switch back to HiFi.

Gaming configuration...


Music/Movie Listening configuration... (turn off Razer surround and Dolby Headphone and set the settings to Hifi).


All paired with Sennheiser HD 598 Headphones.

In my experience.. not a single motherboard audio configuration comes close to add-in sound cards. I have had motherboards with the software driven X-Fi SupremeFX bullcrap. The sound produced is decent if you have $15 headphones.... because the headphones are of such low quality that you cannot hear the imperfections in the audio stream. Once you move up headphone grade wise (and I am not talking about Logitech/Creative/Corsair/Razer crappy headphones either) then those sound cards will simply not do.
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post #78 of 580
Tentatively curious..... Can't wait to see third party full on reviews to see if it matches across the board. Also hoping for 6700k pricing for the 8c/16t, and also hoping it will have a nice performance for various crunching tasks!
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Doesn't SuperPi uses instruction sets that AMD no longer supports? If so, no wonder performance is bad. And even if it's still technically supported, why should we care about a long outdated benchmark?
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Well it is a good measure of single-threaded performance. The average consumer doesn't run the most well programmed applications.

A 10 year old q6600 quad is way more performance than the average consumer ever needs.... (yes it's 10 years old as of Jan 2017). Let's be realistic here....
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Originally Posted by DrFPS View Post

AMD is all about marketing hype.

Thier processors haven't been competitive for a very long time. Throwing moar coars at it just didn't work.

Once you look at benchmarking results like super PI. AMD is so slow they have to have their category. Sorry not buying into the hype.

http://www.overclock.net/t/62298/official-superpi-32m-top-times

AMD has barely hyped this CPU at all, and barely talked about it for that matter. A clock for clock comparison is now major hype? It's called basic marketing and keeping shareholders happy.

Secondly, it's almost 2017 can we move on from the BD debacle? Some of you act as if they are releasing an updated version of it. And seriously, who cares about super pi? Last time I actually cared about that I was running an oc'ed prescott pentium 4 and athlon 64's... you know, when literally most cpu's were still single cores and .000001% of applications used more than one thread.
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