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Yet Netburst (think Willamette/Northwood/Prescott etc P4 CPUs and derivatives)... lasted for quite a few years before Intel released their Conroe based Core 2 Duo products.

nVIDIA had a GeForceFX (NV40) and a Fermi incident (oh I almost forgot NV1 almost brought the company towards insolvency). Yet... somehow... they rebounded.

It seems that people are willing to forgive and forget nVIDIA and Intel's subpar products rather quickly but AMD... after a single CPU uarch debacle... is relegated towards "Bankruptcy is imminent" status.

Well, its AMD's job to recover from this and rebuild their reputation. Intel's netburst and Nvidia's FX series were mocked just as bad if not worse lol.
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Exactly... (Razer surround installed)


I have an Asus Xonar Essence STX sound card and I use Razer Surround when gaming. I also tend to couple Razer surround with Dolby Headphone in order to create a truly immersive experience. When listening to music... I switch back to HiFi.

Gaming configuration...


Music/Movie Listening configuration... (turn off Razer surround and Dolby Headphone and set the settings to Hifi).


All paired with Sennheiser HD 598 Headphones.

In my experience.. not a single motherboard audio configuration comes close to add-in sound cards. I have had motherboards with the software driven X-Fi SupremeFX bullcrap. The sound produced is decent if you have $15 headphones.... because the headphones are of such low quality that you cannot hear the imperfections in the audio stream. Once you move up headphone grade wise (and I am not talking about Logitech/Creative/Corsair/Razer crappy headphones either) then those sound cards will simply not do.

 

Not sure what headphones has to do with any of this, I game in 5.1 surround.

 

Secondly, your card doesn't have any hardware decoding for games... what is your point? 

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A 10 year old q6600 quad is way more performance than the average consumer ever needs.... (yes it's 10 years old as of Jan 2017). Let's be realistic here....
AMD has barely hyped this CPU at all, and barely talked about it for that matter. A clock for clock comparison is now major hype? It's called basic marketing and keeping shareholders happy.

Secondly, it's almost 2017 can we move on from the BD debacle? Some of you act as if they are releasing an updated version of it. And seriously, who cares about super pi? Last time I actually cared about that I was running an oc'ed prescott pentium 4 and athlon 64's... you know, when literally most cpu's were still single cores and .000001% of applications used more than one thread.
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Not sure what headphones has to do with any of this, I game in 5.1 surround.

Secondly, your card doesn't have any hardware decoding for games... what is your point? 

Dynamic range + Sound reproduction + Signal-to-noise ratio not only of your sound card but also the headphones you're using. There are also Operational amplifiers to consider as it pertains to the warmth and depth of an audio signal.

Cheap headphones may not realistically catch the entire Dynamic Range, in doing so... you could be saved from hearing annoying clicks, pops and tin-can like noises in the audio stream produced by your sound card because those sounds occur in a range which is outside of what your headphones can capture. This also means that there are sounds which are either muddled or simply not reproduced by your head phones. In other words... you're missing pieces of the audio stream when using cheap headphones (or speakers for that matter).

The same logic that applies for headphones... applies to speakers. So what 5.1 surround system are you using? Are you using an External DAC?

As for hardware decoding, this helps reduce the stress on the CPU. I made no reference to hardware decoding and I didn't mention anything having to do with hardware decoding in my posts. What I did mention was audio reproduction quality.

IMHO... this is like putting lipstick on a pig.


What is under that SupremeFX "shielding"? Realtek or VIA... and cheap chips too. But look... high quality capacitors, EMI shielding, 300Ohm Headphone Amp blah blah blah... still Realtek or VIA...
Edited by Mahigan - 8/18/16 at 8:25pm
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A 10 year old q6600 quad is way more performance than the average consumer ever needs.... (yes it's 10 years old as of Jan 2017). Let's be realistic here....

I second your statement. AM1 processor which is pretty much equivalent to a Core 2 Quad in single thread performance is quite outstanding for it's cost to performance ratio. Literally $40 for a tiny 25 watt true quad core processor with virtualization support and so on. You get the ASUS motherboard you can also overclock it.
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Well, its AMD's job to recover from this and rebuild their reputation. Intel's netburst and Nvidia's FX series were mocked just as bad if not worse lol.

My problem with this is that although AMD did poorly with the FX series, but with the experience of threading behind them and scheduler experience from the FX l'm more than certain they've managed to achieve 1:1 hyper-threading performance. Where Intel sees an impact on HT, AMD may not ever experience it.
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Honestly I'm super impressed that 8c/16t Zen beats 8c/16t Broadwell-E in any benchmark, even if that specific Blender demo turns out to be super cherry picked.

Nice work AMD.
Edited by BinaryDemon - 8/18/16 at 8:40pm
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We already know cheap speakers make cheap sounds. Not even sure what you are on about.

 

Secondly, the standard is not headphones. In which people use, because they are much cheaper, quieter and easier than 5.1/7.1 set up.  And again, nobody is talking about actual quality of sound, but quality of positional sound, and latencies. The accuracy of the sounds in game & codec used.

 

Your card, nor dac adds to any of this, only the tonal quality, etc.

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Don't most consumers, especially those likely to be budget buyers/non-enthusiasts likely to buy just on immediate performance? Thus DX11 perfomance has some importance.

Budget buyers look for longevity. They're the majority of the market.

It is mostly the uber enthusiasts (like those who upgraded from a GTX 980 Ti to a GTX 1080) who are likely to care about immediate performance. Those with money do not care about buying new systems every 6 months.

Budget buyers look at benchmarks. They look at the benchmarks that indicates current performance, because the benchmarks that predict the future does not exist.

I doubt a casual buyer will immediately spot the driver improments by looking at the AMD logo.
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Everyone is so caught up in clock speeds because we can see that Zen's likely best case scenario IPC is tied with Broadwell.

Clock speed potential is the greater unknown, and is just as relevant to performance.

True, but given the dumpster fire that AMD CPU's have been since 2011 I'd say even worst case scenarios for Zen are looking very good right now and best case scenarios are bordering on miraculous. I figured Zen would be better than expected but if (and as you pointed out, its still an if) these results extrapolate out to broad performance parity with Broadwell-e then AMD will have pulled off one of the most impressive generational performance gains that I can remember anyway. I said long ago that if Zen IPC just matched Ivy Bridge with similar colcok potential then it would be a massive win for AMD. If they can actually come close to matching Broadwell then its an unbelievable achievement for AMD's CPU division (and Keller is officially a God as well)!

The important thing to take from this is that at worst Zen will likely be as fast as Ivy Bridge and that alone will make it competitive depending on price.
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