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I'm not saying it won't come back down, but that is not how stocks work at all. Here's to hoping their stock continues to rise because that means competition is alive and well.

Stock prices are not an indication of competition.
Unless AMD are using that time to sell stocks they have been withholding in order to generate more cash, stock price increase only means that the investors are interested in them, but since zen hadn't actually come out yet (paper launch for H2 2017 means nothing to competition until H2 2017), things could change drastically 2 hours after launch if it doesn't deliver.

This is great to those who bought a big amount of stocks when it were at 2$.
But to AMD, its kinda meh. Since when their stock rose to 4-5, they sold a large amount of stocks in order to generate income. They might also do the same. But at some point, that trick will run out, unless zen is really really going to fight toe to toe with intel in real performance, and vs underclocked unknown settings performance, which could be really twisted about to show unrealistic performance.
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only 3 years behind yay wheee.gif
anyway, just like in Pascal vs Polaris case, clocks will be make or break for AMD. Haswell IPC doesn't mean Haswell CPU perfromance. 4790K comes @4.4GHz out of the box. Core speed will determine whether it will be slower than 4790K or faster than 6700K.

yea AMD sucks. biggrin.gif
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It entirely depends on how you define progress, for you it seems to only be about being faster.
so it's more about developing technologies that take years to implement in games rather than boosting clock speed/ipc now ?

sorry, I guess I'm no computer scholar. I buy what runs fast.
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I buy what runs fast.

WTH?? This is not the OCN way!!

If you aren't buying AMD, you are intentionally not helping the underdog and you are against competition.
If you buy intel you are a sheep and a tool.
If you buy nvidia you are against open source and against games and progress.
If you are ok with using windows you are going to burn in hell.

That is the OCN way! Do not dare to stray with some weird logical decisions that you just want what "run fast", no one cares about.

You should be ashamed of yourself for just going with what is fast and not what everyone are telling you to buy. Shame! Shame!

Regardless of what you have, you should always buy AMD and condemn the others. That is the OCN way (apparently).
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If you aren't buying AMD, you are intentionally not helping the underdog and you are against competition.
If you buy intel you are a sheep and a tool.
If you buy nvidia you are against open source and against games and progress.
If you are ok with using windows you are going to burn in hell.

you're kind of an egghead, right?

stiil, I felt like I did a bit more for the pc gaming overall by buying a 980,980Ti and 1080 than ppl who bought used 290s off mining rigs and are expecting amd just to optimize it for them for decades.
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WTH?? This is not the OCN way!!

If you aren't buying AMD, you are intentionally not helping the underdog and you are against competition.
If you buy intel you are a sheep and a tool.
If you buy nvidia you are against open source and against games and progress.
If you are ok with using windows you are going to burn in hell.

That is the OCN way! Do not dare to stray with some weird logical decisions that you just want what "run fast", no one cares about.

You should be ashamed of yourself for just going with what is fast and not what everyone are telling you to buy. Shame! Shame!

Regardless of what you have, you should always buy AMD and condemn the others. That is the OCN way (apparently).
Yes of course, that's exactly what being said rolleyes.gif
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only 3 years behind yay wheee.gif
anyway, just like in Pascal vs Polaris case, clocks will be make or break for AMD. Haswell IPC doesn't mean Haswell CPU perfromance. 4790K comes @4.4GHz out of the box. Core speed will determine whether it will be slower than 4790K or faster than 6700K.

Haswell is good enough today. You find a ton of people that didnt upgrade to Skylake because Intel recent architectures have been poop in terms of upgrades

So worst case if AMD can offer that, they will regain a lot of market share
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still, the thing I love about free choice is that I can know all about async/dx12 and still choose nvidia cause I think amd would be worse for me.
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You mean like when the US government broke up their massive teleconglomerate leading to vigorous competition in the telecom/ISP markets which continue to this day? tongue.gif

I just can't see any company stepping forward to compete against Intel knowing what it would cost even with AMD's patents, particularly in a market that isn't exactly growing at an exponential rate.
Yeah, US regulators... biggrin.gif

Forcing the company to split wouldn't be the only solution however, and I don't think it would be the most efficient. If they tried it they'd likely end up splitting Intel's data centre and client computing divisions, and they wouldn't compete anyway.

I was thinking more along the lines of more aggressive legislation forcing them to license tech, thus lowering the bar of entry to new competitors. At any rate if AMD failed I very much doubt non-US regulators would allow a monopoly to go unchallenged.
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Yeah, US regulators... biggrin.gif

Forcing the company to split wouldn't be the only solution however, and I don't think it would be the most efficient. If they tried it they'd likely end up splitting Intel's data centre and client computing divisions, and they wouldn't compete anyway.

No it doesn't work like that with helpful natural monopolies. We need to enforce maximum profit margin, and make theirs research publicly usable without licence fees. Thus desktop, laptops, and tablets would be handled by Intel and would be dirty cheap. And home appliances would use licence free Intel research and would be cheaper as well. Cellphones and tablets would need to provide root access to user, or pay through the nose.

Trust me, it would work like that. I have over 10 years experience with designing rules and programming grand strategy games and simulations.

Remember what Adam Smith said "when two businessmen are dinning, they are plotting against general public". (He also thought that "invisible hand behind market" must be really existing. Too bad western politicians didn't enough brain power to understand it fully, and eastern were economically inept.)

The solution in first paragraph would need only:
-prevent other companies to rob Intel dry
-prevent Intel to evade law and reap money
-and of course prevent government to apply silly "market solves all" ideas.
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