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No it doesn't work like that with helpful natural monopolies. We need to enforce maximum profit margin, and make theirs research publicly usable without licence fees. Thus desktop, laptops, and tablets would be handled by Intel and would be dirty cheap. And home appliances would use licence free Intel research and would be cheaper as well. Cellphones and tablets would need to provide root access to user, or pay through the nose.

Trust me, it would work like that. I have over 10 years experience with designing rules and programming grand strategy games and simulations.

Remember what Adam Smith said "when two businessmen are dinning, they are plotting against general public". (He also thought that "invisible hand behind market" must be really existing. Too bad western politicians didn't enough brain power to understand it fully, and eastern were economically inept.)

The solution in first paragraph would need only:
-prevent other companies to rob Intel dry
-prevent Intel to evade law and reap money
-and of course prevent government to apply silly "market solves all" ideas.
The problem is that by forcing Intel to license it's patents without fees it would lose any return on investment into R&D, coupled with an inability to recoup R&D costs due to a cap on their profit margins you would effectively cease any R&D by Intel.

There is a reason that no regulatory body has ever taken the path you describe, although I admit I don't necessarily disagree with your sentiment regarding corporate greed.

Anyway, hopefully Zen will live up to the hype this time round, and maybe Intel will have to start pummelling money into their desktop processor R&D again. Given AMD's track record I'll wait until independent benchmarks are out though.
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Finally Overclock is coming to terms that AMD is as good as dead fish in muddy water. All the profits derived from sales of 5-6 bulldozer CPUs and all the PS4 and XBones was used by AMD to buy up loyal fans who spammed this forum with pure AMD love. Wish they could have spent that money on R&D of new faster architecture. In 2016, they are playing catch-up to Intel's and Nvidia's 3 yr old technologies?

Everyone wants an underdog to win. We love to be cheergirls/cheerguys for AMD. But with the insane hype for AMD 480 and it turning out to be a damp squib of performance, I hate this company even more. Maybe shareholders have seen something secret behind closed doors. Maybe a Radeon 480 made of 24 caret gold for best power efficiency. I have already jumped at the last station.

Zen ??? tongue.giftongue.giftongue.gif
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Finally Overclock is coming to terms that AMD is as good as dead fish in muddy water. All the profits derived from sales of 5-6 bulldozer CPUs and all the PS4 and XBones was used by AMD to buy up loyal fans who spammed this forum with pure AMD love. Wish they could have spent that money on R&D of new faster architecture. In 2016, they are playing catch-up to Intel's and Nvidia's 3 yr old technologies?

Everyone wants an underdog to win. We love to be cheergirls/cheerguys for AMD. But with the insane hype for AMD 480 and it turning out to be a damp squib of performance, I hate this company even more. Maybe shareholders have seen something secret behind closed doors. Maybe a Radeon 480 made of 24 caret gold for best power efficiency. I have already jumped at the last station.

Zen ??? tongue.giftongue.giftongue.gif
is that you, Jen?
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Finally Overclock is coming to terms that AMD is as good as dead fish in muddy water. All the profits derived from sales of 5-6 bulldozer CPUs and all the PS4 and XBones was used by AMD to buy up loyal fans who spammed this forum with pure AMD love. Wish they could have spent that money on R&D of new faster architecture. In 2016, they are playing catch-up to Intel's and Nvidia's 3 yr old technologies?

Everyone wants an underdog to win. We love to be cheergirls/cheerguys for AMD. But with the insane hype for AMD 480 and it turning out to be a damp squib of performance, I hate this company even more. Maybe shareholders have seen something secret behind closed doors. Maybe a Radeon 480 made of 24 caret gold for best power efficiency. I have already jumped at the last station.

Zen ??? tongue.giftongue.giftongue.gif

The real question is why are you getting so emotional. The only reason most normal folks want AMD to succeed or compete is so we as consumers have choice. This doesn't require emotions such as love/hate its just wasted energy.thumb.gif
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only 3 years behind yay wheee.gif
anyway, just like in Pascal vs Polaris case, clocks will be make or break for AMD. Haswell IPC doesn't mean Haswell CPU perfromance. 4790K comes @4.4GHz out of the box. Core speed will determine whether it will be slower than 4790K or faster than 6700K.

 

 

even If slower than 4790K , Still really good.I don't know where Your hate come from.

 

Just look at this , where 4770K is (above Core i5 6600) .Still Impressive that AMD managed to reach Haswell's IPC.

 

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A 4C/8T Zen processor is going to be better value for a pure gaming computer. After 8 threads/cores, the scaling of extra threads is really poor.
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is that you, Jen?
I deal in Yen and write with a pen.
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The real question is why are you getting so emotional. The only reason most normal folks want AMD to succeed or compete is so we as consumers have choice. This doesn't require emotions such as love/hate its just wasted energy.thumb.gif
To be fair some of us want them to fail for equally impersonal reasons, personally I'm torn on the issue but I think if they finally died it might be good for the industry in the long run.

The current pseudo-monopoly of Intel is a complete farce and needs to come to an end, but I don't think anyone will do anything about it until AMD finally gives up the ghost.
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I don't follow your logic. You want the only company that has any realistic chance to compete to fail to make it more competitive? Can you tell me what will happen if AMD do go out of business to improve the situation?
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I don't follow your logic. You want the only company that has any realistic chance to compete to fail to make it more competitive? Can you tell me what will happen if AMD do go out of business to improve the situation?

If they go under, there is a very good chance someone with deep pockets could buy them.

If someone was pumping money into AMD r&d, the end result would be better for everyone.
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