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If you're running a Core 2 in your rig those test results could be extrapolated. Not that relevant to Haswell overclocking. Smaller die size with a less evenly heated IHS is a different beast to cool. Only cooler tests performed on the same target platform can be used as a guide.

Tweaktown cooler reviews have just slightly more credibility than CM factory specs imo. Their methodology and results do not correlate well to other more rigorous review sites.

Well, we may doubt Tweaktown, but Hardwaresecrets showed that it performed pretty well for 130w TDP cpus.
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The Cooler Industry Organizations you were railing on are make-believe. I made them up! biggrin.gif
Sorry to burst your budget, but the reality is: Cool OC performance, Low Cost, Low Noise. Pick any 2.
Not here to argue - enjoy your CM pushpin OC'd limit.

You got me there. biggrin.gif I thought they sounded fishy and was wondering why I couldn't find them in google...

The pushpin is the only reason why I haven't gotten the CM vortex + right now. I'm wondering if they have a screw adapter for this thing? The CM Vortex is has good OC performance, is the cheapest of my options ($21 after rebate), and is relatively low noise as long as the fan isn't running at max. Just the damn push pins. frown.gif


This would be a much easier decision for the Cryorig if it was all the same price. But the Cryorig C7 is shipped from Asia and is the most expensive of the three. frown.gif
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@bluescreendeath

the c7 can't handle overclocking past 4.2 ghz according to this site's review https://play3r.net/reviews/cooling/cryorig-c7-cpu-cooler-review/

overall, i only bought the C7 for myself originally for a side-project of having a low-profile quiet cooler for an old micro-atx computer that was noisy. It didn't fit the AMD athlon 64 unfortunately, so i just rebuilt a whole new mATX computer for my girlfriend LOL.





Do i recommend it? If you like aesthetics (look, design), durability (solid, 6-year warranty), and value (features, good upgrade over the stock fan), I think the C7 is a 4/5. If you wish for more, you have to pay for more. But for $30, it's decent. I'm sure a hyper 212 evo would smoke it in performance, but the C7 isn't designed for performance. Its target audience are towards the Small Form Factor PCs who have less demand on performance but rather netflix and chill scenarios. cheers
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This would be a much easier decision for the Cryorig if it was all the same price. But the Cryorig C7 is shipped from Asia and is the most expensive of the three. frown.gif

i think it's worth the additional $9 investment between the CM's Vortex Plus' 2 year warranty versus the Cryrorig's 6 year warranty. Also the Vortex Plus' installation seems like a dealbreaker to me based on the reviews on newegg. Trust me, cryorig's installation is super easy that anyone who knows how to build Lego's could probably assemble the C7. Also i read some other 1-star reviews on the CM vortex where users complain about longevity - doesn't seem to last long based on its push-pin not mounting securely over a long-term period, i guess. When you have a secure mounting kit, like Cryorig, it's durable and reliable, obviously. what more can i say? $25-$30 is what i expect as an entry-level aftermarket cooler anyways. Any less will have compromises. $40 to $60 is mainstream; i.e. gaming under a budget. $60+ to $120 is for high-end, and $120+ to $300 (or even more if graphics cards are included) are for enthusiasts via custom water cooling.
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We really need to know what your CPU clearance is. The Apevia BK-500 HTPC has side vents for 120mm fans, and is 139.7mm tall. At a guess this should give you about 110mm CPU clearance. If this is true, there some small tower coolers that will fit, like NH-U9L or Scythe Ninja Mini. I know, too expensive. It's only ones I remember off the top of my head.

Cryorig have an 'origami case depth checker' just for figuring out what the CPU clearance is. thumb.gif
http://www.cryorig.com/depthchecker.php

According to their website, BK-500 has 2x 80mm rear fans and 2x 120mm side vents. This means there is no direct cool air source for a pancake cooler. Unless you cut a vent in the top of case, any cool air flowing toward top of CPU cooler has to flow though the heated air flowing out of cooler and back up along side of it. And if you do cut a vent in the top over CPU cooler, it might be better to keep inside of case cool is to use it as CPU cooler exhaust with a duct / shroud from cooler to vent .. or use duct / shroud to move cool air to cooler. Depends on GPU heat and case airflow.

The C7 is a great little cooler! The only thing I don't like about it is the fan cannot be reversed. These super low profile coolers often suffer from overheating with downflow air because their heated exhaust hit's motherboard, turns out and hits RAM, GPU, VRM, etc. turning up along side of cooler and cooler fan sucks this heated air back into itself. I've tested several, and even in an open bench station with a 140mm fan flowing air over motherboard they typically run 5-9c warmer with fan pushing down than with fan pulling up. wink.gif
http://www.overclock.net/t/1491876/ways-to-better-cooling-airflow-cooler-fan-data/0_20#post_22323763
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Except for the inconvenient fact that a $30 Cooler Master Evo/212 or Scythe Mugen or a $50 CM V8 performs just as well as many $150+ air coolers out there. Or a $80 closed loop water cooling system performs better than many of those $150+ air cooling solutions.

Not to be mean, but your statement above is a total erroneous mess. I don't know if you have information overload from looking at six year old reviews with tests across thirty different CPUs......but you have no grasp on how coolers perform, and absolutely no recognition that any new coolers have been made in the last five years and that there have been improvements.

If you are so in love with the Vortex Plus, buy it. I reviewed it back in 2011. It was mediocre then. Given that SFF coolers are one of the sectors with huge improvements over the last few years, that puts the Vortex Plus in the category of "not good at all". The push pin mounts are laughable at this point, and wear out easily. The C7 (which I have also done comparison testing on) easily outperforms it, and is significantly quieter - the fan on the Vortex Plus whines like a banshee.

Do as you like, but don't say a bunch of people who have actually used these coolers didn't try to help you and give you the reality.
Edited by ciarlatano - 8/20/16 at 4:54am
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Except for the inconvenient fact that a $30 Cooler Master Evo/212 or Scythe Mugen or a $50 CM V8 performs just as well as many $150+ air coolers out there. Or a $80 closed loop water cooling system performs better than many of those $150+ air cooling solutions.
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Not to be mean, but your statement above is a total erroneous mess. I don't know if you have information overload from looking at six year old reviews with tests across thirty different CPUs......but you have no grasp on how coolers perform, and absolutely no recognition that any new coolers have been made in the last five years and that there have been improvements.

If you are so in love with the Vortex Plus, buy it. I reviewed it back in 2011. It was mediocre then. Given that SFF coolers are one of the sectors with huge improvements over the last few years, that puts the Vortex Plus in the category of "not good at all". The push pin mounts are laughable at this point, and wear out easily. The C7 (which I have also done comparison testing on) easily outperforms it, and is significantly quieter - the fan on the Vortex Plus whines like a banshee.

Do as you like, but don't say a bunch of people who have actually used these coolers didn't try to help you and give you the reality.
I missed that part of his posts. doh.gif
Good thing too or I would not have posted what I did.

What ciarlatano just posted is spot on. thumb.gif

While there are some 5-8 year old coolers that are still among the best in their class even against newer designs, most are not. Exceptions are Thermalright, Noctua, Scythe, and a few others with coolers like Ultima, Ultra, Silver Arrow, HR-01, HR-02, NH-D14, Ninja, Ninja Mini, Mugen, Susanoo, etc. Coolers like Arctic and Cooer Master are simply not among the key players and mediocre at best.
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I missed that part of his posts. doh.gif
Good thing too or I would not have posted what I did.

What ciarlatano just posted is spot on. thumb.gif

While there are some 5-8 year old coolers that are still among the best in their class even against newer designs, most are not. Exceptions are Thermalright, Noctua, Scythe, and a few others with coolers like Ultima, Ultra, Silver Arrow, HR-01, HR-02, NH-D14, Ninja, Ninja Mini, Mugen, Susanoo, etc. Coolers like Arctic and Cooer Master are simply not among the key players and mediocre at best.

Keep something in mind about the coolers you just mentioned. The Ninja from 2010 has been loooooong discontinued and is now on rev 4, same goes for the Mugen. Tweaks have been made to all of the Thermalrights. The only one still the same (and discontinued) is the D14, which was a total freak at the time of release. There really aren't any five year old coolers in their exact form that are both still available and among the best. As you look at small coolers, the disparity gets huge.
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Keep something in mind about the coolers you just mentioned. The Ninja from 2010 has been loooooong discontinued and is now on rev 4, same goes for the Mugen. Tweaks have been made to all of the Thermalrights. The only one still the same (and discontinued) is the D14, which was a total freak at the time of release. There really aren't any five year old coolers in their exact form that are both still available and among the best. As you look at small coolers, the disparity gets huge.
Depends o which and how small. but Ultima (loooooong gone) still performs very well, Original True Spirit 140 (also looooong done) is still very good, as is original Silver Arrow if you can get your hands on one. .. and the list goes on.

Some are still available in other parts of the world. Original Silver Arrow was still being sold in far eastern countries not long ago.

My point is there has been little improvement in coolers in the last 5 or 6 years. Sure, a few refinements .. but also a few screw-ups.

NH-D15 is one. Sure, it clears RAM, but few cases have enough clearnace to clear both RAM and front fan .. and it is so wide toward PCIe sockets it blocks many. NH-D15S is what NH-D15 should have been to start with. Noc needed a new cooler so the came up with the NH-D15 and it's no better than NH-D14 with same fans.

Many of the 'new improved' models are only hype advertising .. which is required for companies to stay in the bright lights and seen by potential consumers.

Of course you are right. There have been a few really good new coolers. The mediocre cooler companies with their mediocre cooler giving mediocre performance have mostly fallen out of popularity .. except for that one with two too many two's in it's name .. an don't even think about that c something c kind of .. things .. maybe 'wet aluminum scrape piles' best discribes them ??

But it seems the best 'new' coolers on the market in last 5-ish years are be quiet!, Phanteks, and Cryorig, Thermalright has made many very nice improvements, like offset bases, Macho Zero, True Spirit 140 Power, and True Spirit 140 rev.A, new Macho Direct and Macho SBM and more.

The ID-Cooling FE-REEX Deluxe, now in black with black and red fans and called Hunter VC-3D with it's vapor chamber works well .. if base is flat or at least now concave.
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I really like this review:
http://glob3trotters.com/portfolio/cryorig-c7/





Results:



Conclusion:
+ Overbuilt build quality and attention to details
+ Superb presentation and design
+ Very good cooling performance considering its tiny size
+ One of the most compact CPU coolers, thus it will fit anywhere and no clearance whatsoever of any type.
+ One of the easiest to install
+ Very quiet
+ Excellent price and contents
+ Extended warranty via online registration up to 6 years
– niche product
– Can’t handle overclock because of too much TDP

It got 4.5/5.0 on their website. Other reviewers also gave it decent scores:
8.6/10 https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/CRYORIG/C7/
9.2/10 http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7489/cryorig-c7-cpu-cooler-review/index.html
Gold Award (that's like a 9/10 - probably due to performance reasons which prevented an Editor's choice award) http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Cases-and-Cooling/CRYORIG-C7-Ultra-Compact-CPU-Cooler-Review
Must Have Award (same thing - close to Editor's choice award) http://www.modders-inc.com/cryorig-c7-cpu-cooler-review/

If you can think of any low-profile fans that replaces the intel stock cooler for less than $30, hit me up. The high end low profile ones can cost upward $60. Therefore, the c7 is a really good value.
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Not to be mean, but your statement above is a total erroneous mess. I don't know if you have information overload from looking at six year old reviews with tests across thirty different CPUs......but you have no grasp on how coolers perform, and absolutely no recognition that any new coolers have been made in the last five years and that there have been improvements.
If you are so in love with the Vortex Plus, buy it. I reviewed it back in 2011. It was mediocre then. Given that SFF coolers are one of the sectors with huge improvements over the last few years, that puts the Vortex Plus in the category of "not good at all". The push pin mounts are laughable at this point, and wear out easily. The C7 (which I have also done comparison testing on) easily outperforms it, and is significantly quieter - the fan on the Vortex Plus whines like a banshee.
Do as you like, but don't say a bunch of people who have actually used these coolers didn't try to help you and give you the reality.

How did you extrapolate my respect for good cheap "large" 120mm fan coolers into love for the small profile Vortex Plus? doh.gif I was just pointing out that there were and still are plenty of cheap coolers out there that can punch far above their price range. It was purely in response to the guy's joke about fake organizations pushing $150 air coolers.

The Mugen 2 when it was reviewed years ago, for example, cost less than $30 and could duke it out with CPU coolers 3x its price range. Even today, the Cooler Master V8 is still sold today, with only slight modifications. The CM Evo and 212 are also similar to when they first came out.

A 130watt TDP CPU back then still produces comparable levels of heat as a 130watt TDP CPU today. The physics of the cpu and heat dissipation doesn't change. The only thing that changed is Intel's screw up on thermal paste inside its integrated heat spreaders, or making its core smaller inside the IHS. The only thing I can think of off the topic of my head in regards to heatsink changes would be redistributing the locations of the heat pipes or have a better copper base so the cores under the IHS are still making good contact directly under the heatsink & pipes.

The physics of the coolers didn't change either. There wasn't some huge jump in cooling efficiency per mass. The basic principles stayed more or less the same - heat pipes for heat transfer to the dissipation area, more aluminum mass for heat absorption, copper for heat conduction, and a good fan that can move the hot air away while keeping noise down. I will bet you that if you compare a good cheap air cooler from 6 years ago with today's expensive air coolers, the good cheap coolers will hold its ground and will still be competitive.
Edited by Bluescreendeath - 8/20/16 at 10:18am
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