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We really need to know what your CPU clearance is. The Apevia BK-500 HTPC has side vents for 120mm fans, and is 139.7mm tall. At a guess this should give you about 110mm CPU clearance. If this is true, there some small tower coolers that will fit, like NH-U9L or Scythe Ninja Mini. I know, too expensive. It's only ones I remember off the top of my head.

Cryorig have an 'origami case depth checker' just for figuring out what the CPU clearance is. thumb.gif
http://www.cryorig.com/depthchecker.php

According to their website, BK-500 has 2x 80mm rear fans and 2x 120mm side vents. This means there is no direct cool air source for a pancake cooler. Unless you cut a vent in the top of case, any cool air flowing toward top of CPU cooler has to flow though the heated air flowing out of cooler and back up along side of it. And if you do cut a vent in the top over CPU cooler, it might be better to keep inside of case cool is to use it as CPU cooler exhaust with a duct / shroud from cooler to vent .. or use duct / shroud to move cool air to cooler. Depends on GPU heat and case airflow.

The C7 is a great little cooler! The only thing I don't like about it is the fan cannot be reversed. These super low profile coolers often suffer from overheating with downflow air because their heated exhaust hit's motherboard, turns out and hits RAM, GPU, VRM, etc. turning up along side of cooler and cooler fan sucks this heated air back into itself. I've tested several, and even in an open bench station with a 140mm fan flowing air over motherboard they typically run 5-9c warmer with fan pushing down than with fan pulling up. wink.gif
http://www.overclock.net/t/1491876/ways-to-better-cooling-airflow-cooler-fan-data/0_20#post_22323763


Thanks. The case can indeed take 110mm coolers. I will check out those tower coolers.


I'm definitely leaning towards the C7 - but as you mentioned, I do have airflow problems. There is no fan blowing cool air into flat coolers to use. I'm using 1 120mm intake fan (the air that gets blown goes into the GPU) and 1 120mm outtake fan that sucks hot air away from the cpu fan region.
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I really like this review:
http://glob3trotters.com/portfolio/cryorig-c7/





Results:



Conclusion:
+ Overbuilt build quality and attention to details
+ Superb presentation and design
+ Very good cooling performance considering its tiny size
+ One of the most compact CPU coolers, thus it will fit anywhere and no clearance whatsoever of any type.
+ One of the easiest to install
+ Very quiet
+ Excellent price and contents
+ Extended warranty via online registration up to 6 years
– niche product
– Can’t handle overclock because of too much TDP

It got 4.5/5.0 on their website. Other reviewers also gave it decent scores:
8.6/10 https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/CRYORIG/C7/
9.2/10 http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7489/cryorig-c7-cpu-cooler-review/index.html
Gold Award (that's like a 9/10 - probably due to performance reasons which prevented an Editor's choice award) http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Cases-and-Cooling/CRYORIG-C7-Ultra-Compact-CPU-Cooler-Review
Must Have Award (same thing - close to Editor's choice award) http://www.modders-inc.com/cryorig-c7-cpu-cooler-review/

If you can think of any low-profile fans that replaces the intel stock cooler for less than $30, hit me up. The high end low profile ones can cost upward $60. Therefore, the c7 is a really good value.

Thanks! Those additional reviews are useful in giving me a baseline comparison with other coolers. I guess I'll just stick with lightly overclocking + undervolting or non-K cpus if I go with this thing. Do you know if there are any Haswell low power cpus (non-K) versions that can overclock?

You all have convinced me to go with the C7 over the Vortex Plus. If I can't find any cheap 110mm coolers like Doyle suggested, I'll definitely go with the Cryorig C7.
Edited by Bluescreendeath - 8/20/16 at 10:19am
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How did you extrapolate my respect for good cheap "large" 120mm fan coolers into my love with the small profile Vortex Plus? doh.gif I was just pointing out that there was and still are plenty of cheap coolers out there that can punch far above their price range. It was in response to the guy's joke about fake organizations pushing $150 air coolers.

The Mugen 2 when it was reviewed years ago, for example, cost less than $30 and could duke it out with CPU coolers 3x its price range. Even today, the Cooler Master V8 is still sold today, with only slight modifications. The CM Evo and 212 are also similar to when they first came out.

A 130watt TDP CPU back then still produces comparable levels of heat as a 130watt TDP CPU today. The physics of the cpu and heat dissipation doesn't change. The only thing that changed is Intel's screw up on thermal paste inside its integrated heat spreaders, or making its core smaller inside the IHS. The only thing I can think of off the topic of my head in regards to heatsink changes would be redistributing the locations of the heat pipes or have a better copper base so the cores under the IHS are still making good contact directly under the heatsink & pipes.

The physics of the coolers didn't change either. There wasn't some huge jump in cooling efficiency per mass. The basic principles stayed more or less the same - heat pipes for heat transfer to the dissipation area, more aluminum mass for heat absorption, copper for heat conduction, and a good fan that can move the hot air away while keeping noise down. I will bet you that if you compare a good cheap air cooler from 7-8 years ago with today's expensive air coolers, the good cheap coolers will hold its ground and will still be competitive.
What was $30 years ago is now $45. Indeed 130watt is 130watt, but 130watt TDP from one source is not the same as 130watt from another source. tongue.gif

My 6700k works just great with what you say is 'Intel's screw up'.

The basic principles are the same
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Thanks. The case can indeed take 110mm coolers. I will check out those tower coolers.


I'm definitely leaning towards the C7 - but as you mentioned, I do have airflow problems. There is no fan blowing cool air into flat coolers to use. I'm using 1 120mm intake fan (the air that gets blown goes into the GPU) and 1 120mm outtake fan that sucks hot air away from the cpu fan region.
I have and have used both C7 and ASP-100. My ASP-100 does a better job than C7. But I'm also monitoring the air temp going into cooler as well as room ambient. Obviously they are not the same, when system is at full load the cooler intake is 5-11c higher than room. Coolest is with ASP fan turned over drawing air out of cooler.

Sure if you have a system identical to what reviewer is using in their review you can expect similar results. But the simply fact is for all intent and purpose none of us have and identical system to reviewer. This means we have no idea how well the coolers the reviewer has reviewed will perform for us. All we know is how they performed in his system. At least if they monitor and give us the cooler intake air temp we have something as a know air temp we can compare to. Using room ambient when testing coolers is like wondering how hot it is in the kitchen when you are cooling a 5 course meal and going into your bedroom that has the door closed and looking at bedroom thermometer to see how hot it is in the kitchen. Kitchen is much hotter than bedroom 999 times out of a thousand .. same as your case air is much hotter than room .. both for the very same reasons .. both kitchen and case have lots of heat being generated in them. biggrin.gif
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