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I'd like to begin by saying that I know that my rig is not exactly overclock-compatible(it's summed up in my signature), however, I've heard that 4.7ghz on sub-3850 is possible even with A970 chipset on budget mobos. I don't want to exactly try and reach this particular maximum, but I still would like to push something extra, at least stable 4-4.5ghz(basically 3850 turbo) out of 8320.

I also very much appreciate the Cool'n'Quiet solution of FX CPUs, with sub-20C temps in idle, low-task browser surfing, which I do quite a lot. So, in other words, I'd like an extended turbo frequency that would activate in games, while not running my CPU in constant OC. I hear that stable OC setups allow these energy\temperature conservation settings.

Finally, the reason I'm putting this in general and not in AMD - is because I also would like to get help with GTX 660 overclocking, and with motherboard\bios stuff, I really don't like to post many threads.

If some experts already start to wonder, why exactly am I, such a pleb, even venturing into OC with a terrible mobo and weak PSU? Well, two things:

First - I've already tried OCing a couple years ago on a whim, just basic multiplier increase to something like 4.2ghz. It was stable, but either something went wrong, or I turned something necessary off, or I disliked the temps, or I disliked the results - I don't remember. Point is - it worked, the rig survived this. So, with a better, more proficient approach to settings - I suppose a stable and secure OC should be achievable.

Second - I have a bit unconventional cooling method. Not that it's anything special, no. Just that I used my PC like any average user would - in the PC desk's slot under the "table". It dusted up quickly, it had no real airflow, though Zalman Z9+ and Zalman cooler did their job, the case was still quite heated due to bad exhaust from CPU cooler and from GPU twin fans. I was already freaking out when CPU temps got to 60 and above, I immediately started dedusting the PC and changing heatsinks. Eventually I got tired and just popped the PC on a counter next to my desk, unscrewed both walls and left it "testbench-like". Unfortunately breathing in the room became difficult, so just putting unscrewed left wall to the PC seemed to be the golden middle between limiting dustflow, but still allowing plenty of heat to disperse.
I also adjusted the airflow to allow bottom and frontal fans to supply the case with some mind fresh air, while the GPU is exhausting it around the middle right outside of the wall. CPU is blown at from the rear fan and it blows the heated air up through the roof. I've tried to get the bottom fan there, but the cable was too short. Still, another fan is directly above the RAM(that place was always the hottest for some reason), and it helps to blow the heated air away from CPU radiator and RAM.

All in all, I think this isn't the worst air cooling setup, and I can hardly get 60C under heavy load for my CPU. GPU doesn't ever seem to get above 62C, but I suppose that's some BIOS limitations, which is also the reason I'd like to get into OC and possible flashing. Maybe I monitor the temps improperly, I mostly use AIDA.





That's it for the introduction, and first I'd like to get an approximate answer - what can I expect to pull off with this setup, based on my goals described at the very top.

So far I've consulted http://www.overclock.net/t/1348623/amd-bulldozer-and-piledriver-overclocking-guide-asus-motherboard for CPU and http://www.overclock.net/t/1330897/official-gtx-660-non-ti-owners-club for GPU. However, I seriously doubt that I should use anything close to 5ghz settings, nor should I try to flash BIOS straight for 1.2V and +200 core clock boost. I doubt my mobo can survive this, even if PSU somehow would.



These is the current stock voltage. Is it good to OC, or are my PSU\mobo powerlines screwed?


As a P.S. I'd like to know if I need to flash my BIOS on this cheap Asus mobo and if I need to install any other drivers and stuff.

I've read multiple statements along the lines of "if it's not broken, don't fix it" about BIOS flashing, but Asus also describes newer revisions of BIOS as over and over "system stability improvement". So I wonder - does it affect OC?
Likewise, when I tried to download the chipset driver - it offers me to install a freaking AMD catalyst control center. Is chipset basically a GPU? Or what am I not getting? Strangely, in the unpacked folder of the driver - there are multiple subfolders with drivers for NB\SB and the likes of them, but I really don't understand the deep stuff. Almost 3 years the PC worked with basically just Windows 7 installed. Should I worry further, or the "if it's not broken, don't fix it" is the exemplar rule?



Edit:

I have a feeling I need to do some kind of stress test, like AIDA or Prime95 to show that my temps are stable. However, seeing as mostly the only problem that I have with recording DAI on High settings - is weak HDD, I doubt that stability is an issue.
However, if I need to do any testing prior or after, I'm ready.
Edited by Wirxaw - 8/21/16 at 8:11am
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This forum isn't for discussions that can pertain to anything and everything, it's for general PROCESSOR discussions, meaning that we can discuss anything as it pertains to both AMD and CPU and even VIA if we wanted. It's not a "discuss anything you want here" type of forum. That's why the name is "General Processor Discussions" and not "General Computer Discussions" or something.

 

Anyway, before you go any further, I wouldn't consider it to be safe to overclock with that particular PSU powering your computer. This isn't about its output capacity (although, it is pretty low), its the quality. It's not meant to handle overclocking. It's pretty much meant for simple office PCs. It could fail and die and kill your computer. I don't want to see that happen to you.

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This forum isn't for discussions that can pertain to anything and everything, it's for general PROCESSOR discussions, meaning that we can discuss anything as it pertains to both AMD and CPU and even VIA if we wanted. It's not a "discuss anything you want here" type of forum. That's why the name is "General Processor Discussions" and not "General Computer Discussions" or something.

Anyway, before you go any further, I wouldn't consider it to be safe to overclock with that particular PSU powering your computer. This isn't about its output capacity (although, it is pretty low), its the quality. It's not meant to handle overclocking. It's pretty much meant for simple office PCs. It could fail and die and kill your computer. I don't want to see that happen to you.

Apologies, but any idea where should I post it then? According to the "where to post guideline", I should head to AMD CPU part, but my question included other parts, like bios and GPU. Do I really need to just multi-thread it, instead of getting the stuff I need from one place? If the mod won't move the thread, I'd just like to know where to repost it(if I will even repost it), and I didn't quite figure it out from your post. I searched for the "general" subforum, and this was as close as it got.

Also thanks for the warning about PSU, but is it really so bad? I thought FSP wasn't exactly Linkworld, and 500W is not 350W, it's not like I'm using a 2000s aged PSU. I appreciate your input, but I remind that I tried to OC already and nothing died or malfunctioned. All I want is some stable polish of performance. If more people agree with your perspective - I guess there's no way but to give up.
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Apologies, but any idea where should I post it then? According to the "where to post guideline", I should head to AMD CPU part, but my question included other parts, like bios and GPU. Do I really need to just multi-thread it, instead of getting the stuff I need from one place? If the mod won't move the thread, I'd just like to know where to repost it(if I will even repost it), and I didn't quite figure it out from your post. I searched for the "general" subforum, and this was as close as it got.

Also thanks for the warning about PSU, but is it really so bad? I thought FSP wasn't exactly Linkworld, and 500W is not 350W, it's not like I'm using a 2000s aged PSU. I appreciate your input, but I remind that I tried to OC already and nothing died or malfunctioned. All I want is some stable polish of performance. If more people agree with your perspective - I guess there's no way but to give up.

 

For your benefit, split the questions up. Ask about CPU overclocking in one thread, GPU overclocking in another, etc. That way, you can get focused help. It will give you the best results. That's why Overclock.net has all the forums that it has. Think about how much easier it will be for everyone here to help you if you simplify it that way instead of putting everything in one big thread. Each thread can have a thread title that can attract the attention of people who can answer that specific question. I almost clicked away when I saw the size of this post. It's just like, "omg that's huge". Y'know? Where does one begin? "Where are the questions? What questions does this person have? Do I have to read the whole post? I don't know if I have enough time to read the whole post, especially if I come to find out that I can only answer one question. That would be a waste of my valuable time." One focused shorter thread that stays focused on just one subject and question is much easier for everyone, including you. ;) Even if you were to have like 10 different threads in 10 different forums so that you can ask 10 different questions, I doubt anyone would really notice or care.

 

Unfortunately, most people don't know much about PSUs, and it's even less likely to find anyone in the General Processor Discussions who knows anything about PSUs. I'm only here because I don't limit myself to any one forum on here because PSU-related advice can end up being needed in the most unexpected places.

 

Ask about your PSU though in the Power Supplies forum, and I guarantee you that at least 1 or 2 others will come along to say that yeah, you shouldn't be trusting it. Its power output is very low in quality. Its power delivery is unstable (high ripple), inaccurate (loose voltage regulation), and has very low-quality internals - which is why it's so bad. There's a reason why it's so cheap. I wouldn't even consider it to be good enough as a 400W PSU due to that low +12V capacity it has. The best use for that PSU is powering a simple office PC, or a paperweight. ;) (just making a point hehe)

 

Anyway, that's really all I am able to help with. I just had to get that out of the way because it's very important.

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Alright, shall I just leave this thread, or flag it for a mod to delete? Most forums do not allow users to delete their own threads, and I guess this one is no different.
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Alright, shall I just leave this thread, or flag it for a mod to delete? Most forums do not allow users to delete their own threads, and I guess this one is no different.

 

Yeah, we can't delete our own threads. The best we can do is report them and say inside the report's comment box that we want it deleted and maybe with an explanation of why.

 

I think maybe you're right that it might be best to have this deleted and then have a thread for each question in the appropriate forums for those questions. That also helps keep this site's usability high.

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