Originally Posted by prjindigo
OH MY GOD THE OUTRAGE, THE HORROR, THE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE GOVERNMENT!
Listen. When I was 6 I heard the term "NSA" and was told it meant "No Such Agency". It was the joke, the big joke about the government. It was a joke about the cults thinking the FBI was listening to them. It was the joke about when people said the CIA was operating inside the US. The NSA is the internal CIA, they have Presidential ordered existence to operate as the agency behind all others. They give the FBI their job list, the CIA their job list and now the DHS their job list. They operated the center in Germany for Germany to watch Germany. They exist and HAVE existed to stand behind every wall in the nation and listen for threats against the United States.
If you think they weren't reading everything that went over all the internets from the start you're crazy ignorant and stupid (definitionally uneducated and not taught to think) on the matter. You have rights against Congress, Senate, CIA, FBI, DEA, NTSB, Sheriff, State and City police. You have rights against Superintendents of schools, transit authority cops, doctors, lawyers, judges, juries and even other people.
The NSA operates on a strict rule that only the information that pertains to threats to the United States and its Citizens is to be presented to other agencies.
Do you know what Snowden did? Snowden violated his contract with YOU. Then he went to Russia and endangered the network that protects you on a daily basis.
The NSA cannot act if you're running a weed farm, selling meth online or raping your daughter. They act if you're talking to terrorists, making destructive devices, researching poisons and dispersal methods.
They don't care about your personal life, but to collect that 1/10,000th of 1% of data that pertains to the acts of terror, mayhem and bloody sedition they have to intercept all of it then filter it out. To do this they have to store large quantities of it on huge server capacity.
They keep you safe from other people's freedom in our nation. They have to do this and will continue to do this flat-out against the walls and petobytes flying in the wind.
And its 100% legal, morally justified and not in violation of any laws concerning your rights.
You might as well try to protest doctors and lawyers and try to sue them for having access to confidential information.
The No Such Agency has been doing this since its creation in 1952.
1952. Nothing new. Freaking out about it like it somehow abridges a right YOU'VE NEVER HAD ANYWAY is imbecilic. You have a right to Confedentiality
and the only time that's been broken was when Snowden freaked out and bailed on us.
You argument is that US citizens have no right to privacy; only a right to confidentiality?
That's quite sad.
To argue that it's morally justified is also wrong. People have both a right, and an expectation of privacy.
You can also ask any expert on social engineering just what it means when government has unrestricted access to information on it's citizens. Where you go, how well you sleep, what you do for work, your race, religion, gender "identity", sexual orientation, voting habits, preferred news sources, friends, friends information in relation to your social circle, commonality of your habits and your friend's habits in relation to eachother.
It's a democratic society. I don't think you understand just what that means, as far as keeping the people empowered to combat corruption. I don't think you understand just how consistently, through history, corruption and social engineering has led to new lows for entire civilizations.
Big data puts the integrity of the government at risk. It puts the integrity of the NSA at risk. There is no sufficient recourse if they aim to use big data to cultivate support (or at least complacency) for malicious acts. The threat of public outcry can be anticipated with big data quite easily. The bulk of the population doesn't have the kind of education required to even understand why big data is a tool for social engineering. If you had that kind of education, you would conclude that all major media outlets would need to be of the utmost integrity to mitigate the threat of propaganda. People do understand that media outlets and media delivery services such as Facebook have no integrity, but they have no idea what this means in terms of social engineering, government, and big data.
Protection of privacy is absolutely essential for the protection of a democratic process. As privacy lessens and hardware/software advances continue, the potency of these tools in a democratic system will only increase. It'll become more and more unnerving to contemplate the integrity of "free" information, such as that which you find when you use search engines and browse services like Facebook or Twitter.
When modern conflicts seem to be whitewashed from results, you might have to ask yourself if the government itself is doing the whitewashing -- especially when there are enterprises growing around this type of service.
You can't quite confirm that it's taking place, but you can't help but wonder. This erodes the ability for voters to have confidence in their own ability to determine what candidates can represent their interests. It dissuades many people from involving themselves in politics at all. It also encourages people to take polarized views on the integrity of the government, because politicians are the gateway for these extremely aggressive agencies to make changes concerning their budget and the legality of their actions.
The risks involved with the loss of our democratic process are not to be scoffed at. A typical citizen can't suffer the mental anguish of deciphering the true intent of their political leaders; the mere time
required to become a truly informed voter is insurmountable.