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Enthoo Pro and Enthoo Luxe use the same case. Enthoo Pro M and Enthoo Evolv ATX use the same case.
Enthoo Luxe comes with 2x 140mm fans (PH-F140SP) and 1x 200mm fan (PH-F140SP) as well as PWM controlled fan hub for case fans.
Enthoo Pro comes with 1x 140mm fan (PH-F140SP) and 1x 200mm fan (PH-F200SP) as well as PWM controlled fan hub for case fans.
Enthoo Luxe and Enthoo Pro have 2x bottom vents as well as PSU vent The PSU filter an be attached to 2x fan filter so all side out the front for cleaning.
This means case does not need to be moved to clean bottom and front vent filters.
Enthoo Pro M has no bottom vents, only PSU vent and filter in back.
Enthoo Pro M has 1x 140mm fan (PH-F140SP).

Most users replace the 1x 200mm front fan with 2x PH-F140SP fans. Even one PH-F140SP in front seems to be better than the 200mm .. and 2x supply way more airflow with lower noise levels.




Enthoo Pro has bigger front vent than Luxe, but both have very good airflow.

Another good case company is the Fractal Design. The Define R5 is very nice. Stock R5 fans are marginal at best and many users change them to better fans It also has a full length bottom filter that comes out the front.
Edited by doyll - 8/26/16 at 2:46am
post #22 of 120
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The only reason it is called the "Airflow Edition" is because the standard 750D is the "Absolutely No Airflow Edition". tongue.gif
Oh cryingsmiley.gif So it's a good thing that I made this thread. I was really convinced that the Corsair one would provide great airflow, especially since it got good reviews and all.
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That's the wrong case. You want the Enthoo Pro, not the Enthoo Pro M. I mean, you might like the Pro M as well, but the Pro is the one that's more like the 750D. It has 3 x 5/14" bays, & the ports are under a flap on the front, which looks like a 4th 5 1/4" bay when closed.
Oh, silly me! I didn't notice the difference. redface.gif I should have paid more attention to the details!

The reason why I might have picked the wrong case: the Enthoo Pro does not seem to be currently available in Germany. mad.gif A website namend Caseking sells it for €99 - starting at the 6th October 2016. Other people are selling it on Amazon for a whopping €165 up to over €200. I'd really like to build my PC in the following 2 or 3 weeks because I'm really tired of all that waiting.
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Another good case company is the Fractal Design. The Define R5 is very nice. Stock R5 fans are marginal at best and many users change them to better fans It also has a full length bottom filter that comes out the front.
Yeah I had the R4 in mind. It seems to have gotten better reviews than the R5 though.

Any reason why I should pick the Phanteks fans over the Noctua ones?
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Originally Posted by Fledgling View Post


Any reason why I should pick the Phanteks fans over the Noctua ones?

Performance between the F140SP and NF-A14 is very similar. However, there are three very good reasons to buy the F140SP:

1. They are considerably less expensive
2. In most cases they are capable of lower start up speeds - so less noise with low loads
3. They aren't hideous beige
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

Performance between the F140SP and NF-A14 is very similar. However, there are three very good reasons to buy the F140SP:

1. They are considerably less expensive
2. In most cases they are capable of lower start up speeds - so less noise with low loads
3. They aren't[ hideous beige
doh.gif That's not 'hideous beige', The politically correct wording is desert camo.
We do need to be politically correct. biggrin.gif
post #25 of 120
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Oh cryingsmiley.gif So it's a good thing that I made this thread. I was really convinced that the Corsair one would provide great airflow, especially since it got good reviews and all.
Oh, silly me! I didn't notice the difference. redface.gif I should have paid more attention to the details!

The reason why I might have picked the wrong case: the Enthoo Pro does not seem to be currently available in Germany. mad.gif A website namend Caseking sells it for €99 - starting at the 6th October 2016. Other people are selling it on Amazon for a whopping €165 up to over €200. I'd really like to build my PC in the following 2 or 3 weeks because I'm really tired of all that waiting.
Yeah I had the R4 in mind. It seems to have gotten better reviews than the R5 though.

Any reason why I should pick the Phanteks fans over the Noctua ones?
I have not personally used either R4 or R5, but have helps setup airlfow in a fair few of them. While I've heard few complaints about either one I would prefer the R4 with an R5 bottom filter. thumb.gif
The R3 is bad enough with just having to move it enough to pull out a single 140mm vent filter. The R4 is over 280mm long!! That requires moving the case twice as far forward to remove filter for cleaning!! My thoughts are the designerswho came up with that layout should have to spend the rest of their lives riding commuter no frills cattle-car airline all over the world nonstop cleaning bottom filters.mad.gif
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To be honest I don't really care about the looks of my rig so I didn't care about fan color since the very beginning. biggrin.gif Plus I'd use the Industrial ones which are black so far as I know.

This would also be the first time buying a case with a "dust filter". I've never had dust filters in my current PC and it works quite well. I just blow the dust out with an air compressor a few times a year. How often do I have to clean the dust filters and how do I clean them?

Regarding the R4... the perfect fan placement would be 2x140mm front as intake, 1x140 in the back as exhaust? Would adding an additional exhaust fan (1x140) to the to top rear make sense? What about the fan on the side?
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post #27 of 120
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To be honest I don't really care about the looks of my rig so I didn't care about fan color since the very beginning. biggrin.gif Plus I'd use the Industrial ones which are black so far as I know.

This would also be the first time buying a case with a "dust filter". I've never had dust filters in my current PC and it works quite well. I just blow the dust out with an air compressor a few times a year. How often do I have to clean the dust filters and how do I clean them?

Regarding the R4... the perfect fan placement would be 2x140mm front as intake, 1x140 in the back as exhaust? Would adding an additional exhaust fan (1x140) to the to top rear make sense? What about the fan on the side?
I usually use 2x front and 1x bottom intake with rear exhaust with fans speed controlled in sync with component fans / component airflow needs. and PCIe back slot covers removed. This usually gives the best temps.
post #28 of 120
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Good! The R4 with 2x140mm front intake, 1x140mm bottom intake and 1x140mm back exhaust it is then. That'll save me some money in comparison to my original plan. smile.gif

Now there's the last two questions: will the Samsung 950 Pro get enough air or should I install a motherboard fan like the Antec Spot Cool? And does it make sense to replace the stock cooler of the Palit GTX 1080 with the Accelero Xtreme IV?
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post #29 of 120
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Good! The R4 with 2x140mm front intake, 1x140mm bottom intake and 1x140mm back exhaust it is then. That'll save me some money in comparison to my original plan. smile.gif

Now there's the last two questions: will the Samsung 950 Pro get enough air or should I install a motherboard fan like the Antec Spot Cool? And does it make sense to replace the stock cooler of the Palit GTX 1080 with the Accelero Xtreme IV?

The 950 Pro should be fine. I'm using the 512GB model with my Enthoo Luxe & a PH-TC14PE cooler. It is totally hidden behind the cooler, with the RAM blocking the side. It may get a bit hot running Crystal Disk Mark (70C), but during real world usage it's fine (51C) with case temps between 23C & 26C. Admittedly, I don't run the highest heat system imaginable with only a single GTX 960 & an i5-6600K @ 1.296V, but as long as you don't let your case turn into a hot box, I don't see any reason to worry about it.

Also, your question about dust filters: how often you clean them depends on your environment and usage. I clean mine when I star to see cat hair building up on top, which is around once a month or so. I could probably get away with only doing it a few times a year, but my case basically sits out in the open, so it's really easy to deal with. On the Luxe, the bottom filters pull out from the front & rear (or all from the front if you do the @doyll filter mod). The Front filter requires you to pull the front fascia off, but it's really easy to do. Just grab the bottom when you've got the bottom filter out & pull. It pops off easily without damage. The front filter is snapped into the back of the fascia. The top filter just pops out when you press the release snaps at the rear. All of the filters can be wiped off or cleaned with a can of air. If things are really bad, you can run some water over them & dry them before reinstalling. They're just a fine mesh (like screens on a house window), so it's pretty easy. One downside to the Enthoo Pro vs. the Enthoo Luxe, is that the top filter is permanently attached to the top panel, so you have to remove the top panel as you do the front one to clean it. Still not a big deal though.
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51°C is actually a little hot in my opinion; I want everything to be just a little over ambient temperatures.tongue.gif Not sure if I can achieve that.

I looked up some reviews for the Fractal Design R4 and I came to this site:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6102/fractal-design-define-r4-case-review-evolution-not-revolution/6

According to that chart, the Antec 1100 seems to be the best case?? I'm sorry for changing my opinions so many times (I'm sure this gets tiring) but since I'm investing a lot of money into my build I just want everything to be perfect so I have to consider my options.

Thanks for the dust filter tutorial, dlewbell, I'll keep it in mind when I have to clean the dust filters! Though I'm still not sure if I should use them at all if they impede airflow. I could just invest 20 minutes a month to blow the dust out of the case with the air compressor.biggrin.gif
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