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How about a USB card reader?
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Originally Posted by billbartuska View Post

How about a USB card reader?

Prefer a mind reader. Just not one developed by Google. Warning: It's too long a read. tongue.gif
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How about a USB card reader?
I'd like to have everything internal this time (with additional USB ports). tongue.gif I actually have an external card reader but sadly it only reads normal SD cards (not even SDHC).
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I can definitely see the need for a good card reader, but fan control is generally easily automated using motherboard fan headers "Ways to Better Cooling" linked in my sig has some guide to using motherboard PWM signal (and GPU PWM signal) to control case fans. 1st post is index, click on topic of interest to see it.

Agreed 100%. Especially with a board like the Maximus VIII. You will get better control and flexibility than you would from any mainstream fan controller. Even going to an Aquaero 5 would be almost a lateral move.

Okay, so I'll control the fan speeds with the motherboard.
I've read your thread, doyll. Let's hope I understood it correctly tongue.gif :

1) I'll buy a fan splitter with a "main channel" that also controls other connected fans to the splitter, like this one.
2) I'll plug the CPU fans into that splitter (one in "main channel" and one in a free slot).
3) I'll plug any other fan into that splitter.
4) I'll buy this and connect it with the graphics card and plug it into that splitter.
5) I'll plug the splitter with the fans into the motherboard's fan connector?
6) Then I can set the speed of the fans in the BIOS or software. All fans will run at the same RPM.

This leads to some questions though:
- Let's say I set the fan speed of the main channel to 1000rpm. Every fan runs at 1000rpm. I'm not sure but didn't you say that we need more case airflow than component airflow? In that case, when the CPU and GPU fans run at 1000rpm, the case fans should run at 1500rpm or something, shouldn't they?
- Does it matter whether the fans are 3-pin or 4-pin? I know that the case fans will be 4-pin PWM (Noctua Industrial) but I have no idea about the CPU / GPU fan.
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I'd like to have everything internal this time (with additional USB ports). tongue.gif I actually have an external card reader but sadly it only reads normal SD cards (not even SDHC).
Okay, so I'll control the fan speeds with the motherboard.
I've read your thread, doyll. Let's hope I understood it correctly tongue.gif :

1) I'll buy a fan splitter with a "main channel" that also controls other connected fans to the splitter, like this one.
2) I'll plug the CPU fans into that splitter (one in "main channel" and one in a free slot).
3) I'll plug any other fan into that splitter.
4) I'll buy this and connect it with the graphics card and plug it into that splitter.
5) I'll plug the splitter with the fans into the motherboard's fan connector?
6) Then I can set the speed of the fans in the BIOS or software. All fans will run at the same RPM.

This leads to some questions though:
- Let's say I set the fan speed of the main channel to 1000rpm. Every fan runs at 1000rpm. I'm not sure but didn't you say that we need more case airflow than component airflow? In that case, when the CPU and GPU fans run at 1000rpm, the case fans should run at 1500rpm or something, shouldn't they?
- Does it matter whether the fans are 3-pin or 4-pin? I know that the case fans will be 4-pin PWM (Noctua Industrial) but I have no idea about the CPU / GPU fan.
The Phobya PWM hub plugged into CPU fan header will control PWM fans with PWM signal using CPU temperature to control fan speed.

if you use the Gelid GPU PWM to normal PWM adapter from GPU to Phobya PWM hub it will control PWM fans with GPU PWM signal.

All fan on PWM hub will receive the same PWM signal, but will not be running the same speed a the one you are monitoring unless they has same PWM to rpm curve on their internal PWM circuit. Every PWM fan has it's own PWM control circuit that receives a control signal from system controller (motherboard or GPU). All fan PWM control circuits are not the same. Here is graph and chart showing TY-147, TY-147A and TY-143 fans on same PWM signal. You can see at same PWM signal they run at different speeds.



Most motherboard and GPU fan controls have no idea what rpm the fans are spinning. They adjust the control PWM signal based on temperature. They do not use RPM signal at all. As CPU or GPU get warmer the adjust the PWM signal to increase airflow (with faster fan speed). As CPU or GPU cool down they lower the adjust the PWM signal to lower airflow (with less fan speed). But they do not monitor the RPM at all. The RPM reading is only for our use.

Kinda like we know if we are cold, comfortable or hot without looking at a thermometer to see what the temperature actually is. tongue.gif

These splitters will only control PWM fans.

PWM systems are 4-pin
pin-1 = ground
pin-2 = 12 volt
pin-3 = rpm signal from fan
pin-4 = PWM signal to fan

Variable Voltage system are 3-pin
pin-1 = ground
pin-2 = variable voltage
pin-3 = rpm signal from fan.

Many motherboards have 4-pin fan headers that are not PWM fan headers. They only use 3 pins. The 4th pin is not used.
post #45 of 120
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Hm, that seems really complicated. frown.gif

Let's just say I want to control the fans (GPU, CPU and the 4 case fans) manually.
Will I be able to do that if I simply plug them into the motherboard's fan headers? I could connect the 4 case fans with this cable to one fan header on the motherboard. Since my motherboard has 4 fan headers there will be one empty fan header left after connecting all fans.

Oh wait. Since the NH-D15 comes with two fans I'd need this cable too, right?
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Hm, that seems really complicated. frown.gif

Let's just say I want to control the fans (GPU, CPU and the 4 case fans) manually.
Will I be able to do that if I simply plug them into the motherboard's fan headers? I could connect the 4 case fans with this cable to one fan header on the motherboard. Since my motherboard has 4 fan headers there will be one empty fan header left after connecting all fans.

Oh wait. Since the NH-D15 comes with two fans I'd need this cable too, right?
Acutally it's not complicated, just a little hard to understand. tongue.gif

That EK splitter is for PWM fans using motherboard PWM signal to control with PSU power. It will run 3-pins fans at full speed on 12v power .. or PWM fans full speed on constant 12v unless plugged into a PWM fan header.

Having 4-pin headers does not mean they are PWM headers.
Unless the 4-pin header is labeled similar to my last post it is not PWM. Sometimes pin-4 is labeled 'Speed Control' instead of 'PWM', but if it is labeled anything else it is not a PWM header!


Motherboard fan headers will normally handle up to about 1A maximum load. Most cooler and case fans are 2-4watt, so we can usually safely run 2-3 fans on a single header. The amp / watt rating is usually on the fan label. I always lower the 1amp maximum by 10-20% to be safe .. because some fan specifications use running load wattage, not start-up load wattage, and start-up is 2-3 time higher than running load. While the fan headers can usually handle a short pulse load at start-up, it is still much higher than their load rating. Not a good idea!!

I know this all seems way too complicated, but it's really not. It's just that there are several things you need to know before it all can be easily understood. biggrin.gif
post #47 of 120
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Originally Posted by Fledgling View Post

Hm, that seems really complicated. frown.gif

Let's just say I want to control the fans (GPU, CPU and the 4 case fans) manually.
Will I be able to do that if I simply plug them into the motherboard's fan headers? I could connect the 4 case fans with this cable to one fan header on the motherboard. Since my motherboard has 4 fan headers there will be one empty fan header left after connecting all fans.

Oh wait. Since the NH-D15 comes with two fans I'd need this cable too, right?
Ok, let's totally simplify this. If you're planning 4 case fans & 2 CPU cooler fans, the motherboard you picked has 6 PWM fan headers (CPU_FAN, CPU_OPT, CHA_FAN1 through CHA_FAN4), which is perfect, 1 per fan. You can control each one individually with the motherboard, or give them all the same settings & they'll act the same. Just control your GPU fans through software like MSI Afterburner. There's no need to buy anything extra fan related.
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Oh, you are right! That's perfect! thumb.gif

Thank you doyll and dlewbell for being so patient with me. You've probably noticed that I'm not that into the hardware stuff, I'm more the software guy. biggrin.gif I'm sure I'll learn a lot when I assemble the PC with the help of the tech-savvy person!

I think all my questions have been answered! I am going to order all the parts tomorrow! I'll also post a pic of my PC when all is set and done. smile.gif

A big thanks to everyone who replied in this thread! This forum really rocks!

EDIT: Oh, regarding the card reader, I'll simply buy this. It supports SDXC, has USB3.0 speed, is affordable and has favorable reviews.
Edited by Fledgling - 9/4/16 at 8:25am
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Ok, let's totally simplify this. If you're planning 4 case fans & 2 CPU cooler fans, the motherboard you picked has 6 PWM fan headers (CPU_FAN, CPU_OPT, CHA_FAN1 through CHA_FAN4), which is perfect, 1 per fan. You can control each one individually with the motherboard, or give them all the same settings & they'll act the same. Just control your GPU fans through software like MSI Afterburner. There's no need to buy anything extra fan related.

Exactly. There is more than enough existing fan control. No need to complicate it, and likely wind up with less than you started with.
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Oh, you are right! That's perfect! thumb.gif

Thank you doyll and dlewbell for being so patient with me. You've probably noticed that I'm not that into the hardware stuff, I'm more the software guy. biggrin.gif I'm sure I'll learn a lot when I assemble the PC with the help of the tech-savvy person!

I think all my questions have been answered! I am going to order all the parts tomorrow! I'll also post a pic of my PC when all is set and done. smile.gif

A big thanks to everyone who replied in this thread! This forum really rocks!

EDIT: Oh, regarding the card reader, I'll simply buy this. It supports SDXC, has USB3.0 speed, is affordable and has favorable reviews.
I may get that card reader as well. Do you already have a 3.5" to 5.25" adapter? If not, you may want one. I don't think any of the cases we discussed have 3.5" external bays.
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