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http://www.overclock.net/t/1583537/intel-broadwell-c-ownership-club

~4.3 and one 4.5 and 4.4 but they're on stock intel paste I think whereas Broadwell-E uses solder

Intel paste has never been a problem.  It was to much glue between the ih plate and the chip causing to much space.

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post #32 of 115
it's really hard to upgrade from an i7 5820k @ 4.7ghz. I hope zen and kaby lake are monsters thumb.gif
 
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Between this and zen I may actually be able to retire wrath some time this decade.
 
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it's really hard to upgrade from an i7 5820k @ 4.7ghz. I hope zen and kaby lake are monsters thumb.gif

Upgrade? Everything right now is a side grade at best and a downgrade in most cases. That six core of yours will still be an amazing chip in five years, unless you get blinded by meaningless benchmark numbers.

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Upgrade? Everything right now is a side grade at best and a downgrade in most cases. That six core of yours will still be an amazing chip in five years, unless you get blinded by meaningless benchmark numbers.

Yeah, but an 8 core Zen with the same level, or better, performance on a new board. Maybe worth it if the Zen OCs like crazy.
    
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Upgrade? Everything right now is a side grade at best and a downgrade in most cases. That six core of yours will still be an amazing chip in five years, unless you get blinded by meaningless benchmark numbers.

Yeah, but an 8 core Zen with the same level, or better, performance on a new board. Maybe worth it if the Zen OCs like crazy.

For productivity those 8 core, 16 thread Zen chips will be wonderful (entirely depends on performance), for gaming they will be great in 10 years time.

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Kaby Lake is a refined part in INTEL's lineup. I am quite certain many will hit 5 GHz and even more. I do not expect the same thing to happen with ZEN. I see a blast from the past where INTEL had higher clocks and AMD has lower. The twist in the story? 15 years ago INTEL had a very inefficient design. This time their design is good and the clock difference will play to their advantage even more.


Those who expect ZEN to be a chip that overclocks like mad, need to be patient and wait for a few revisions. AMD's 'rented' FAB does not have the same technology as INTEL
 
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I don't expect Zen 8-core/16-thread to push very high clocks, and I believe that 3 to 3.2Ghz (as rumored in the engineering sample) may well be the final clock rate.
What I expect is a great all around CPUs, but the idea of AMD suddenly matching Intel in every single area doesn't seem plausible to me. At least not yet.
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I don't expect Zen 8-core/16-thread to push very high clocks, and I believe that 3 to 3.2Ghz (as rumored in the engineering sample) may well be the final clock rate.
What I expect is a great all around CPUs, but the idea of AMD suddenly matching Intel in every single area doesn't seem plausible to me. At least not yet.

Well Vishera was made on 32nm SHP node, Samsung 14nm is something called Low Power Plus, so yeah Zen might be decent at same clock speed, and it can have good perf per W, but i don't think it will touch Kaby by any means. Maybe even 1GHZ difference with lower IPC.
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Well Vishera was made on 32nm SHP node, Samsung 14nm is something called Low Power Plus, so yeah Zen might be decent at same clock speed, and it can have good perf per W, but i don't think it will touch Kaby by any means. Maybe even 1GHZ difference with lower IPC.

Intel's still charging high prices and their mainstream CPU dies have like 60% of their die area dedicated to graphics rather than anything related to the CPU.
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