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Originally Posted by m0uz View Post

I'm genuinely interested in how you measured it thinking.gif

moving both mice around on desktop i can feel a big difference. they both got exacly same dpi (425). the higher the FPS the floatier the cursor feels (not in a bad way), and the lower fps, it feels the same way similar to turning down a mouse from 1000hz to 125 does, sort of. I used to have total OCD about this stuff so i can feel very tiny differences, although this is not a tiny difference in my opinion. the higher fps of the x80 really feels alot better. coupled with 4000-8000 HZ its just crazy smooth.
post #12 of 73
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Originally Posted by m0uz View Post

I'm genuinely interested in how you measured it thinking.gif

You can actually approximately measure the frame rate as long as you are at a high polling rate. There will be reports with 1 more or less frame and by checking how often this happens and how large the difference is you can determine the frame rate. No one has actually shown that any MLT04 mouse has 6000 FPS through this actual method of showing what the FPS is though afaik and just make claims based on feelings. I'm not very good at explaining exactly how you get from the ratio of the reports and how often the higher/lower reports happen, but qsxcv gave a good explanation at least one once on here. I could figure it out again by looking at a mouse tester plot, but it would take me a few minutes. If you really want a better explanation I can go look up qsxcv's or think about it for a bit and try to make my own example from a mouse tester plot.

Edit: And by large I mean like 1000hz or over. It would probably still work at 500hz, but it would be really iffy at 125hz. You don't need to "hard" OC the polling rate or whatever you want to call it to do it though.
Edited by chr1spe - 8/24/16 at 1:40pm
post #13 of 73
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Originally Posted by rattleheadmegadeth View Post

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moving both mice around on desktop i can feel a big difference. they both got exacly same dpi (425). the higher the FPS the floatier the cursor feels (not in a bad way), and the lower fps, it feels the same way similar to turning down a mouse from 1000hz to 125 does, sort of. I used to have total OCD about this stuff so i can feel very tiny differences, although this is not a tiny difference in my opinion. the higher fps of the x80 really feels alot better. coupled with 4000-8000 HZ its just crazy smooth.

So... you could say that you're 99% sure because there was no real method to measuring it apart from "them feels"?
post #14 of 73
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Originally Posted by m0uz View Post

So... you could say that you're 99% sure because there was no real method to measuring it apart from "them feels"?

The Intellimice were updated with 9K FPS in 2006. I know for myself that the first MLT04 version is definetly not 9K FPS. Tested both mice side to side on all polling rates. FPS has a bigger impact on smooth cursor movement than polling rate does, you can easily tell the difference even at 125 HZ on both mice.
post #15 of 73
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The Intellimice were updated with 9K FPS in 2006. I know for myself that the first MLT04 version is definetly not 9K FPS. Tested both mice side to side on all polling rates. FPS has a bigger impact on smooth cursor movement than polling rate does, you can easily tell the difference even at 125 HZ on both mice.

You can measure that...
post #16 of 73
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Originally Posted by popups View Post

You can measure that...

With what software?
post #17 of 73
take your 6k lies some place else, demon
post #18 of 73
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Originally Posted by Bucake View Post

take your 6k lies some place else, demon


Are you saying Skylit is a liar too?
post #19 of 73
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Originally Posted by rattleheadmegadeth View Post

Are you saying Skylit is a liar too?

I'll take the hit, boys...

Yes
post #20 of 73
at the time, he repeated what others had been saying. it was just a misunderstanding. i'm not sure what the "story" is, either the number 6000 came from pre-MLT04 microsoft mice, or from a wireless MLT04 mouse..
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/SGcAAOSwaB5XvPly/s-l1600.jpg
see that box? wireless MLT04. it says 6000 fps.

maybe it was simply a mistake on microsoft their part..? it's hard for me to believe they made a "special low fps mlt04" for wireless mice.
edit: i suppose it would make sense for power consumption reasons. but would lowering sensor fps lower power consumption significantly enough? @mice gurus
Edited by Bucake - 8/24/16 at 3:23pm
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