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Trying to find a new x80 model of Microsoft IntelliMouse Optical 1.1a

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#1 ·
I've been reading some threads about this mouse and its MLT04 sensor for a while.
Notice that I'm searching mainly for the x80 model (up to 9000fps) and x08 (up to 6000fps) should be the last option.
I know Takasta is a reliable seller for the modded versions (and they seem out of stock on his eBay) but I'd prefer a regular one.
There are other sellers on eBay with this model but I'm not 100% sure about them, like this one, copyed&pasted description from Takasta.
Most of other sellers on ebay don't even provide the model or a photo of the bottom.
There's this one on newegg but its model is D58-00041 and I've never heard about it, It would helpful if you gave me some information about this model, maybe is even newer than x80 but I higly doubt it.

Thank you in advance.
 
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Originally Posted by leofps View Post

I've been reading some threads about this mouse and its MLT04 sensor for a while.
Notice that I'm searching mainly for the x80 model (up to 9000fps) and x08 (up to 6000fps) should be the last option.
I know Takasta is a reliable seller for the modded versions (and they seem out of stock on his eBay) but I'd prefer a regular one.
There are other sellers on eBay with this model but I'm not 100% sure about them, like this one, copyed&pasted description from Takasta.
Most of other sellers on ebay don't even provide the model or a photo of the bottom.
There's this one on newegg but its model is D58-00041 and I've never heard about it, It would helpful if you gave me some information about this model, maybe is even newer than x80 but I higly doubt it.

Thank you in advance.
From my knowledge, there's no such thing as a 6000fps MLT04. Also, if it's coming from China, it's probably a refurb with old internals and a cloned shell. I have one from Aliexpress myself and it's actually not that bad. The scroll wheel is surprisingly solid compared to my other MLT04 mice.
 
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Originally Posted by m0uz View Post

From my knowledge, there's no such thing as a 6000fps MLT04. Also, if it's coming from China, it's probably a refurb with old internals and a cloned shell. I have one from Aliexpress myself and it's actually not that bad. The scroll wheel is surprisingly solid compared to my other MLT04 mice.
Could you tell me the string containing the model and the production period printed on the bottom of the mouse please?
 
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Originally Posted by m0uz View Post

From my knowledge, there's no such thing as a 6000fps MLT04. Also, if it's coming from China, it's probably a refurb with old internals and a cloned shell. I have one from Aliexpress myself and it's actually not that bad. The scroll wheel is surprisingly solid compared to my other MLT04 mice.
The Microsoft mice that are ~6000 FPS are probably the Avago versions. I don't see many people with that version.

I keep hearing about "refurb" mice, but I haven't really seen something to support that. I have seen mice that appear to be newly manufactured without Microsoft's permission.
 
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Originally Posted by popups View Post

The Microsoft mice that are ~6000 FPS are probably the Avago versions. I don't see many people with that version.

I keep hearing about "refurb" mice, but I haven't really seen something to support that. I have seen mice that appear to be newly manufactured without Microsoft's permission.
'Reused' would probably be better. They're reusing the PCB's and putting them in cloned shells. The quality of the shells is good but slightly rough around the edges... literally.
 
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I'm genuinely interested in how you measured it
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moving both mice around on desktop i can feel a big difference. they both got exacly same dpi (425). the higher the FPS the floatier the cursor feels (not in a bad way), and the lower fps, it feels the same way similar to turning down a mouse from 1000hz to 125 does, sort of. I used to have total OCD about this stuff so i can feel very tiny differences, although this is not a tiny difference in my opinion. the higher fps of the x80 really feels alot better. coupled with 4000-8000 HZ its just crazy smooth.
 
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Originally Posted by m0uz View Post

I'm genuinely interested in how you measured it
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You can actually approximately measure the frame rate as long as you are at a high polling rate. There will be reports with 1 more or less frame and by checking how often this happens and how large the difference is you can determine the frame rate. No one has actually shown that any MLT04 mouse has 6000 FPS through this actual method of showing what the FPS is though afaik and just make claims based on feelings. I'm not very good at explaining exactly how you get from the ratio of the reports and how often the higher/lower reports happen, but qsxcv gave a good explanation at least one once on here. I could figure it out again by looking at a mouse tester plot, but it would take me a few minutes. If you really want a better explanation I can go look up qsxcv's or think about it for a bit and try to make my own example from a mouse tester plot.

Edit: And by large I mean like 1000hz or over. It would probably still work at 500hz, but it would be really iffy at 125hz. You don't need to "hard" OC the polling rate or whatever you want to call it to do it though.
 
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Originally Posted by rattleheadmegadeth View Post

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moving both mice around on desktop i can feel a big difference. they both got exacly same dpi (425). the higher the FPS the floatier the cursor feels (not in a bad way), and the lower fps, it feels the same way similar to turning down a mouse from 1000hz to 125 does, sort of. I used to have total OCD about this stuff so i can feel very tiny differences, although this is not a tiny difference in my opinion. the higher fps of the x80 really feels alot better. coupled with 4000-8000 HZ its just crazy smooth.
So... you could say that you're 99% sure because there was no real method to measuring it apart from "them feels"?
 
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So... you could say that you're 99% sure because there was no real method to measuring it apart from "them feels"?
The Intellimice were updated with 9K FPS in 2006. I know for myself that the first MLT04 version is definetly not 9K FPS. Tested both mice side to side on all polling rates. FPS has a bigger impact on smooth cursor movement than polling rate does, you can easily tell the difference even at 125 HZ on both mice.
 
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Originally Posted by rattleheadmegadeth View Post

The Intellimice were updated with 9K FPS in 2006. I know for myself that the first MLT04 version is definetly not 9K FPS. Tested both mice side to side on all polling rates. FPS has a bigger impact on smooth cursor movement than polling rate does, you can easily tell the difference even at 125 HZ on both mice.
You can measure that...
 
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at the time, he repeated what others had been saying. it was just a misunderstanding. i'm not sure what the "story" is, either the number 6000 came from pre-MLT04 microsoft mice, or from a wireless MLT04 mouse..
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/SGcAAOSwaB5XvPly/s-l1600.jpg
see that box? wireless MLT04. it says 6000 fps.

maybe it was simply a mistake on microsoft their part..? it's hard for me to believe they made a "special low fps mlt04" for wireless mice.
edit: i suppose it would make sense for power consumption reasons. but would lowering sensor fps lower power consumption significantly enough? @mice gurus
 
#21 ·
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Originally Posted by m0uz View Post

I'll take the hit, boys...

Yes
You dont believe the 9K advertisement on the packaging, nor the most reputable person on here when it comes to mice. Most people cant notice the difference between 500HZ and 1000HZ, Those people wont notice the difference between 6000 and 9000 FPS. Getting an x80 version is easy, since there is a much larger quantity of them still left, but not in original packaging. they take the internals and put them in knock off shells, which are still good.
 
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Originally Posted by rattleheadmegadeth View Post

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You dont believe the 9K advertisement on the packaging, nor the most reputable person on here when it comes to mice. Most people cant notice the difference between 500HZ and 1000HZ, Those people wont notice the difference between 6000 and 9000 FPS. Getting an x80 version is easy, since there is a much larger quantity of them still left, but not in original packaging. they take the internals and put them in knock off shells, which are still good.
I can notice the difference between 6k and 12k, I noticed it when moving back and forth from my 3090/3310 mice to my 3988/3366 mice, I even noticed it when moving from my VT5366 (9.6k FPS) mouse to the 3090 mice, and I can also tell you that being able to notice the difference between 500Hz and 1000Hz has nothing to do with being able to notice framerate differences, one is minuscule difference (though I can still notice it when trying to track along walls) while the other is very noticeable at high speeds.
 
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Originally Posted by rattleheadmegadeth View Post

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moving both mice around on desktop i can feel a big difference. they both got exacly same dpi (425). the higher the FPS the floatier the cursor feels (not in a bad way), and the lower fps, it feels the same way similar to turning down a mouse from 1000hz to 125 does, sort of. I used to have total OCD about this stuff so i can feel very tiny differences, although this is not a tiny difference in my opinion. the higher fps of the x80 really feels alot better. coupled with 4000-8000 HZ its just crazy smooth.
It's weird - I've seen all over that MLT04s are 400, 425, or 450 DPI. Did you measure yours at 425? I measured mine at 450, even though the spec sheet says it should be 400.
 
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Originally Posted by Alya View Post

I can notice the difference between 6k and 12k, I noticed it when moving back and forth from my 3090/3310 mice to my 3988/3366 mice, I even noticed it when moving from my VT5366 (9.6k FPS) mouse to the 3090 mice, and I can also tell you that being able to notice the difference between 500Hz and 1000Hz has nothing to do with being able to notice framerate differences, one is minuscule difference (though I can still notice it when trying to track along walls) while the other is very noticeable at high speeds.
Higher polling rate gives faster response and smoother movement, higher FPS gives smoother movement and can also alter your sensitivity because the mouse does become slightly faster when you are actually in a shooter game moving the mouse around. Polling rate does the same thing. Game at 125 HZ and then at 1000hz, you will most likely adjust your sensitivty by a slight amount.

People who wont notice the difference between 6-9-12K FPS definetly wont notice the difference between 500-1000HZ is what im saying.
 
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Originally Posted by ImJLu View Post

It's weird - I've seen all over that MLT04s are 400, 425, or 450 DPI. Did you measure yours at 425? I measured mine at 450, even though the spec sheet says it should be 400.
I dont think there are any MLT04's with 450 DPI, they are either 400 or 425-430 DPI. I had a WMO not long ago that i lost that i think was x80, and it was definetly 400 CPI. Unlike my IME 3.0 and IMO 1.1's that are all 425-430 CPI.
 
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