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So I'm going to be honest and say I am completely new at computer building so please bare with me. I figured if I provide as much information as possible it will help you help me.

MY SITUATION

I currently have a Macbook Pro which I use for my creative agency work. I predominantly use the Adobe CC suite creating print/digital media and website design. With only 8GB ram it is beginning to struggle big time with the increased amount of work I am doing and so I was looking into upgrading it. After looking at the new iMacs, after discovering my Macbook cannot be upgraded via new components, I spoke to my brother who suggested maybe switching to a windows PC as I can save a huge amount of money with the option of further upgrades. After a little research I have come to understand he is correct. Putting aside the mac vs pc argument I am prepared to relearn windows as all the software I use will run on it, if it means a better computer for a lower or similar price tag (iMac 27" is £1499).

The idea of the build is to create a "Creative" use computer that can be upgraded further as I get money. Searching the forums a lot of posts are specific to gaming rigs and so I am worried I'm focusing on the wrong parts for my intended usage. I'm not as concerned about the gaming performance as long as it can run games such as Civilization well. I understand Adobe is RAM intensive so am looking to be able to fully upgrade this as the pay checks come in.

CURRENT BUILD IDEA

After a bit of research I have put together the following list for components for the base purchase.

1 x Fractal Design Define S Case
1 x ASUS z170 Pro Gaming DDR4 Motherboard
1 x Intel i7 6700K Quad-Core 4.0 Ghz
1 x ASUS Geforce GTX 950 2GB
1 x Crucial Ballistic Sport LT White 16GB RAM
1 x Raider 750W 80PLUS Silver PSU
1 x Corsair Hydro H55
1 x Seagate 2TB 3.5" SATA Desktop Hard Drive

TOTAL - around £800

INTENDED BUILD USAGE

- So the builds main usage would be work involving Adobe CC suite, Office, Chrome etc.
- Secondary uses would be light gaming (Civilization 5, Civilization 6 when it releases, Stellaris, mainly RTS games I guess)
- I am also getting into music production and have a copy of Cubase 7 which I have been learning.

MAIN BUILD QUESTIONS
- Is the Intel i7 6700K overkill? The Intel i5 6600K is £100 cheaper. Does the £100 extra significantly improve the performance when it comes to the creative usage intended?

- I think the motherboard can support up to 64GB of RAM. Would adding 1x 16GB a time work or do I need to fill a certain amount of slots?

- Is the GPU good enough for the games and would it be good for Adobe CC suite's utilisation of the GPU?

- Recommended monitor? I have no idea what to look for here as I am used to the Retina on the MacBook. Are there equivalents to this or the 4K/5K screens on the newer iMacs?

- Do you have any better component suggestions or is there anything I have missed or forgotten. Could I reduce the base purchase more allowing to upgrade when money permits?

- Am I going in the completely wrong direction?

I hope this was not too confusing. I appreciate your time and would love to hear your feedback.
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post #2 of 30
First off the PSU is way overkill and all you really need is a good 400 watt PSU for that system

Second the PSU you picked is cheap for a reason and that reason is its not very good
Why you should not buy an FSP Raider

Something like a Corsair CX550 is both better as well as cheaper
Or if you can spend the extra you can get an EVGA SuperNova G2 instead which is even better

https://www.alza.co.uk/corsair-cx550m-d4164789.htm?o=1
https://www.alza.co.uk/evga-supernova-550-g2-d3026461.htm?o=1

Third the CPU cooler you picked is not all that good nor is it very quiet or reliable
And for almost the same amount of money you can get a Noctua NH-U14S which is light years better then a H55
https://www.alza.co.uk/the-noctua-nh-u14s-d520376.htm?o=58

Edit: almost forgot welcome to OCN by the way
Edited by shilka - 8/24/16 at 8:17am
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post #3 of 30
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Hey thanks for the feedback.

So would the EVGA SuperNova G2 be sufficient if I wanted to add components or upgrades later, such as RAM and/or GPU?
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As long as you are only going to have a single video card (even a Titan X or Fury X) you dont need more then a good 550 watt
If you are going with a SLI or Crossfire setup you are going to need a bigger PSU, otherwise you dont need more wattage

Most modern gaming PC´s dont draw more then 200-350 watts even if you overclock evetything
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post #5 of 30
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Fair enough. I doubt I'd ever have more than one GPU as I don't game that much and don't really venture into video editing. So I would probably just update the one GPU in the future rather than try adding multiple so shall definitely go with the SuperNova as you suggested. Thank you.
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1 stick needs 50% higher speed to match two slower sticks
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1 stick needs 50% higher speed to match two slower sticks

Is this in regards to the RAM? I'm thinking I'd be adding an additional 16GB stick each time. So they would always be of the same size and make. Would this work? Or am I mis-reading your post?
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If you mix and match RAM there is a risk that it wont work right
Even if you get two modules with the same speed from the same brand it might not work right

This is why you should always get a kit with two or four instead of adding one at a time
Get a kit of two 8 GB modules instead of a single 16 Gb module or get a 32 GB kit from the start.
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Ok. Would buying a pack of 2 x 8GB RAM now and then another 2 x 8GB RAM later reduce the risk of it breaking? I understand buying a 32GB kit right from the start but I'm hoping to spend as little as possible to start with if its ok. With this in mind, would holding off on the GPU be ok if I'm not playing games right away. I.e buy the case, motherboard, PSU, fan and RAM first and then add the GPU the next month?
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Single-channel versus double-channel only makes a difference in memory intensive tasks. The same applies for triple- and quad-channel. Sixteen gigabytes is currently the sweet spot for RAM as far as cost effectiveness is concerned so I'd start off with a 2x8GB kit and get an identical kit later if you find your system to be RAM-limited.

The integrated GPU on the i7-6700K should be enough to at least play Civ V though you would likely have to turn down settings to get acceptable frame rates.

As for your monitor, I would recommend a quality IPS panel. It sounds like you want more accurate color reproduction in favor of faster response times. This is likely to be the most expensive part of your entire build.

I noticed you haven't picked out a SSD. I highly recommend installing your operating system and frequently used applications on a solid state drive. I would recommend this. Get whichever capacity you feel comfortable buying. I would recommend 256GB or 512GB. You could use the hard drive for storing your media.
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