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In our galaxy, there is an estimated 200 to 400 billion stars. If just 1% of those had at least 1 planet, and just 1% of those planets were capable of supporting life as we know it and just 1% of that life was an intelligent race, that still leaves 200,000 to 400,000 potential alien civilizations; or at the very least Earth-like planets where life could exist.

Extraterrestrial life must exist. I personally find the thought that our planet is the only one with life on it totally absurd. How? With so many galaxies and so many stars and the potential for so many life-bearing worlds, how can ours be unique?

Edit: What I said is pretty much a direct quote but I can't remember who said it... I think Neil deGrasse Tyson. Regardless of who said it, it's a remarkable idea that there could possibly be that many alien civilizations or habitable planets.

I see this type of quote thrown out regularly to support the idea that life must exist out in the universe. This is really just using the massive of numbers galaxies and therefore potential planets, and therefore potential life, etc... What if, instead of a 1% chance, it is really a .0000001% chance? Or maybe even smaller chance. Face it, all these formulas are pure speculation. Life is unique to Earth and we rule the Universe.
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Life is unique to Earth

Earth happens to be the only place we've been able to look at in any significant detail.

Conflating the first place you found something and the only place you looked, for the only place it can be found is a far greater leap of logic than speculative predictions of the frequency of life elsewhere.
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and we rule the Universe.

Now this is demonstrably false. Imposing rule over anything requires the ability to project power to that area. Our ability to do so in any real way ends no more than a few hundred km above the surface of the Earth...that's an infinitesimally small portion of the universe. Even if we do happen to be alone, which is an utterly unfounded assumption in and of itself, we still don't rule much of anything.
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Earth happens to be the only place we've been able to look at in any significant detail.

Conflating the first place you found something and the only place you looked, for the only place it can be found is a far greater leap of logic than speculative predictions of the frequency of life elsewhere.
Now this is demonstrably false. Imposing rule over anything requires the ability to project power to that area. Our ability to do so in any real way ends no more than a few hundred km above the surface of the Earth...that's an infinitesimally small portion of the universe. Even if we do happen to be alone, which is an utterly unfounded assumption in and of itself, we still don't rule much of anything.

Psychobabble and hogwash, because you can't prove me wrong. Earth is the only place life exists and it is NOT the only place we have looked, your first statement is patently false. I don't need to project power to rule because there is nobody there to be ruled. Nobody there to question my rule either.
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I see this type of quote thrown out regularly to support the idea that life must exist out in the universe. This is really just using the massive of numbers galaxies and therefore potential planets, and therefore potential life, etc... What if, instead of a 1% chance, it is really a .0000001% chance? Or maybe even smaller chance. Face it, all these formulas are pure speculation. Life is unique to Earth and we rule the Universe.

Going from 1% chance to .0000001% chance basically only lowers the odds of a sentient lifeform to about 1 per galaxy of our size. There are more galaxies out there than there are stars in our galaxy, to put it in perspective. No matter how small odds you give it, the shear vastness of the Universe, something you clearly cannot comprehend, takes those odds and spits out something else has to be out there. The odds that we will contact aliens on the other hand is a different matter entirely.
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Going from 1% chance to .0000001% chance basically only lowers the odds of a sentient lifeform to about 1 per galaxy of our size. There are more galaxies out there than there are stars in our galaxy, to put it in perspective. No matter how small odds you give it, the shear vastness of the Universe, something you clearly cannot comprehend, takes those odds and spits out something else has to be out there. The odds that we will contact aliens on the other hand is a different matter entirely.

Math does not agree with you my friend. As large a number as you can conceive for the size of the universe I can come up with a small enough multiplier to counteract it. I have no doubt there is life in the universe; Earth is crawling with it. Are you implying that you comprehend that vastness, or just that I can't? I admit that I can't. If you want to look for life find a mirror. I can spell sheer, though.
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Who cares? Its not like we're gonna go there anytime soon.
Just pay ur bills and wait for Death.
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@Essenbe I'll do you one better. The Earth is still the center of the universe.
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Anybody who lives near DC and listens to Elliot in the Morning, how goddamn stupid is Elliot sometimes? I swear to god. Sometimes I just want to call him and troll him hard for his dumbness. Anyways.. interesting. I wonder if a primordial Salrian race lives on it where they eat flies all day.
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Psychobabble and hogwash, because you can't prove me wrong.

Speak for yourself.
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Earth is the only place life exists

Pure conjecture and unverifiable because to prove that no life exists elsewhere, you'd have to have thoroughly investigated everywhere.
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and it is NOT the only place we have looked

It's the only place with proximity enough to have been investigated in any significant detail and despite there having been hundreds of billions of anatomically modern humans crawling over this planet for the last quarter of a million years, we are still constantly finding life that was thus far unknown to us.

We have negligible ability to detect life, as we know it, beyond this solar system and the miniscule fractions of the solar system beyond Earth that we have actually looked at hardly amount to detailed surveys.
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your first statement is patently false.

No, it is literally and factually correct, and demonstrably so. There was not even the slightest wiff of exaggeration in the statement in question.
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I don't need to project power to rule because there is nobody there to be ruled. Nobody there to question my rule either.

And I'm Archduke of China. I've never been to China, so clearly no one else has either, so my claim must be valid because I don't know of anyone who could oppose it.
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I don't know what's funnier: essanbee's comments or the fact that you guys are taking him seriously.
    
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