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Any opinions or reviews on the new Dell S2417DG?

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#1 ·
Was looking at the new Dell 24 inch 1440p gsync monitor.

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-S2417DG-YNY1D-24-Inch-LED-Lit/dp/B01IOO4SGK

Has anyone got their hands on this monitor?

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Officia Dell Driver
  • This will load the proper icc profile, as Windows doesn't detect the monitor properly and uses a generic color profile

Calibrated ICC Provided by MistaSparkul
  • Calibrated with a i1 Display Pro
  • Use this guide to load the profile properly
    Brightness - 32
    Contrast - 75
    Color - Custom Color R:100 G:100 B:100

Power Draw at 165hz
  • 0w - turned off
  • 0.3w - deep sleep (after 10 minutes of sleep)
  • 12w - idle/sleep
  • 20w - 0 bright
  • 24w - 25 bright
  • 27w - 50 bright
  • 30w - 75 bright
  • 38w - 100 bright
  • 144hz is practically the same, just subtract 2w from each brightness

UFO Testing for Ghosting
  • Use this to detect ghosting or other types of trailing/overshoot and dial in your preferred settings for ULMB

How to Overclock to 165hz
  1. Go to the OSD menu
  2. Go to display
  3. Go to Overclock andenable
  4. Change Overclock Refresh rate to 165hz
  5. Power down the monitor and turn it back on
  6. Enable 165hz through your GPU control panel

How to Enable G-Sync (Removes all tearing within the supported 30-165 range)
  1. This should be enabled by default once you install the display, if not:
  2. Go to your NVCP and click setup G-Sync

How to Enable ULMB (Motion Blur Reduction)
  1. This requires the monitor to be in 120hz refresh rate (I think 100hz, and 80hz are also supported), so switch to it in your GPU control panel
  2. Disable G-Sync in the GPU control panel, again, this is required
  3. Go to the OSD menu
  4. Go to display
  5. Go to ULMB andEnable
  6. You can test using the ghosting test link at the top
  7. You can hide some of the ghosting by lowering the contrast in the OSD
  8. I also recommend you only set it this way to access ULMB on your desktop to test at the UFO site, it's far more convenient to set it game specific via manage 3d settings, as it auto switches on/off and remembers your settings for strobed and non-strobed modes, this is amazing coming from the 10 step process on BenQ blur reduction with tweaks every time you want to play a game.

Using and G-Sync Together (Will remove tearing when your FPS is above the G-Sync range)
  1. MakeG-Sync is enabled in the NVCP
  2. Do not cap or limit your frame rate, you want an uncapped FPS for FastSync
  3. Go to Manage 3D Settings
  4. Find the game you want to configure
  5. Go to Vertical Sync andFast

Using and ULMB Together (My favorite mode)
  1. I recommend you be able to hold an average FPS above 120 FPS, , I have some older games that run at 400fps+ with some graphical tweaks, and this looks ridiculously smooth and responsiveness
  2. Do not cap or limit your frame rate, you want an uncapped FPS for FastSync
  3. Go to Manage 3D Settings
  4. Go to Program Settings tab
  5. Find the game you want to configure
  6. Set Monitor Technology to ULMB
  7. Set Vertical Sync to Fast


Using G-Sync and ULMB Together (A glitch, still unconfirmed so far on S24, but still plausible)
  1. Requires a 3D Kit IR Emitter or tricking the driver into believing you have one
  2. Tricking the driver tutorial here, skip the import step (Did not work for me)
 
#13 ·
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Originally Posted by TheGoodVive View Post

Might be, I wanted to know what exactly to look out for, and that was helpful. While I read this is a bigger problem with 144 Hz panels, ideally it shouldn't happen at any refresh rate, right?
I kinda see something similar to that on my XB241H with its refresh rate set to 60. At 120Hz and above, it's butter-smooth. Even 100Hz isn't bad.
 
#15 ·
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Originally Posted by TheGoodVive View Post

Huh, interesting. I'll check at different refresh rates, then. Are you interested in this one solely because of the higher pixel density?
I'm trying to get away from the absolutely horrible brightness uniformity of the panel that Acer, ASUS and AOC are using for the XB241H, the PG248Q, and the G2460PG (respectively). I don't know if there are any other 24" 1080p 144Hz G-SYNC monitors that use this panel, but good lord. I'm tired of it. I am returning this monitor as "defective" when I have time.

The S2716DG has excellent uniformity as seen here:

https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/dell-s2716dg/

I'm going to be gaming at 1080p though because my computer tanks at 1440p (tested) and I don't want to have 1080p on a 27" monitor. So, if the S2417DG is as good as the S2716DG (I don't know yet), then damn... all I will have to do is wait for its price to go down to something that's far more reasonable.
 
#16 ·
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

I'm trying to get away from the absolutely horrible brightness uniformity of the panel that Acer, ASUS and AOC are using for the XB241H, the PG248Q, and the G2460PG (respectively). I don't know if there are any other 24" 1080p 144Hz G-SYNC monitors that use this panel, but good lord. I'm tired of it. I am returning this monitor as "defective" when I have time.
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I'm going to be gaming at 1080p though because my computer tanks at 1440p (tested) and I don't want to have 1080p on a 27" monitor. So, if the S2417DG is as good as the S2716DG (I don't know yet), then damn... all I will have to do is wait for its price to go down to something that's far more reasonable.
Interesting, I had already ordered the XB241H but it was out of stock, giving me time to think. Was very curious about the PG248Q as well since the Predator's design is very over the top.
When I compared pixel densities, though, I realized that I'm spoiled with retina displays all around me (MacBook Pro at work, Surface Pro 4 and LG G4 on the go), and I wanted something better, that's when I heard about the AG241QG (123 ppi). Then in a list of 1440p ~24" monitors I saw the S2417DG (likely same panel) and went for it.

I'm skeptical about the picture quality you're going to get from upscaling to the S2417DG's 1440p, though. Maybe the XB251Q / PG258Q / AG251FZ (1080p at up to 240Hz) would be a better match for you, assuming they won't have the brightness uniformity issues? At 24.5", their pixel density (89.91 ppi) is slightly worse than the XB241H (91.79 ppi), but that's probably not noticeable.
 
#17 ·
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Originally Posted by TheGoodVive View Post

Interesting, I had already ordered the XB241H but it was out of stock, giving me time to think. Was very curious about the PG248Q as well since the Predator's design is very over the top.
When I compared pixel densities, though, I realized that I'm spoiled with retina displays all around me (MacBook Pro at work, Surface Pro 4 and LG G4 on the go), and I wanted something better, that's when I heard about the AG241QG (123 ppi). Then in a list of 1440p ~24" monitors I saw the S2417DG (likely same panel) and went for it.

I'm skeptical about the picture quality you're going to get from upscaling to the S2417DG's 1440p, though. Maybe the XB251Q / PG258Q / AG251FZ (1080p at up to 240Hz) would be a better match for you, assuming they won't have the brightness uniformity issues? At 24.5", their pixel density (89.91 ppi) is slightly worse than the XB241H (91.79 ppi), but that's probably not noticeable.
Like I said, I'm interested in the S2417DG over the S2716DG because 1080p is too stretched out on 27" and 24" is about the maximum you want for 1080p, and I'd be playing my games at 1080p for the foreseeable future. That, and this price point is my maximum.
 
#18 ·
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

Like I said, I'm interested in the S2417DG over the S2716DG because 1080p is too stretched out on 27" and 24" is about the maximum you want for 1080p, and I'd be playing my games at 1080p for the foreseeable future. That, and this price point is my maximum.
The S2417DG is 1440p like the S2716DG, though. So you're either killing your card at 1440p, or you're blurring your image by upscaling from 1080p to 1440p, or you're cropping your picture and effectively use an 18" monitor.
 
#19 ·
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Originally Posted by TheGoodVive View Post

The S2417DG is 1440p like the S2716DG, though. So you're either killing your card at 1440p, or you're blurring your image by upscaling from 1080p to 1440p, or you're cropping your picture and effectively use an 18" monitor.
I know it's a 1440p monitor, but what other 24" choices do I have? Y'know? Think about it: 1440p at the desktop, 1080p for gaming. If the quality of this panel is as good as the S2716DG, then 1080p gaming would be better on the 24" version than on the 27". I want G-SYNC, I want a super-high refresh rate, and I want to be able to have a 1ms response time for those days when I don't mind the downsides of using that.
 
#20 ·
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

I know it's a 1440p monitor, but what other 24" choices do I have? Y'know? Think about it: 1440p at the desktop, 1080p for gaming. If the quality of this panel is as good as the S2716DG, then 1080p gaming would be better on the 24" version than on the 27".
The XB251Q / PG258Q / AG251FZ
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Once available, of course. If it weren't for the pixel density, I'd wait for those to come out. Although there's probably some overclocking involved to get to 240 Hz. Native refresh rate might be more like 180 Hz, but that would already be good, because the current "180 Hz" panels have degraded picture quality when overclocked.
 
#21 ·
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

I know it's a 1440p monitor, but what other 24" choices do I have? Y'know? Think about it: 1440p at the desktop, 1080p for gaming. If the quality of this panel is as good as the S2716DG, then 1080p gaming would be better on the 24" version than on the 27". I want G-SYNC, I want a super-high refresh rate, and I want to be able to have a 1ms response time for those days when I don't mind the downsides of using that.
If you don't need G-Sync, the LG 24GM77-B looks nice, too.
 
#24 ·
As far as picture quality, I found the s2716dg to have a comfortable image quality, and with the anti-glare coating, there is a difference in application/materials where it could have a more or less grainy look while still blocking similar amount of light. I'm still considering the Samsung G-Sync panel cfg70, whereas the 180hz/240hz panels have complaints over contrast which makes them fairly unappealing to me - although 25" seems ideal for me. The Samsung gsync 27" with its curve seems very appealing, and running 2560x1080 on it would be very nice as well. But actually, I'm really just looking for some newer specced TNs without pixel inversion, but seems I might have to wait forever though.

With pixel inversion, it was extremely easy to notice as I first saw this on a Samsung 32 inch monitor so you really can't hide large pixels sort of blanking out or displaying a different level of brightness. You'll see either of three finely knit structured patterns: vertical lines, horizontal lines, or a checkered grid. And you could notice this easily on loading screens as the effect occurs when new frames are being sent, such as every odd frame or so.
 
#25 ·
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Originally Posted by Neclord06 View Post

I'm still considering the Samsung G-Sync panel cfg70
I found an older source saying that the 24" one will have FreeSync and the 27" will have G-Sync.

But I also found three very recent sources that all say that BOTH sizes have FreeSync (not G-Sync), and they are also both 1920x1080.
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160828005018/en/Samsung-Launches-Curved-Gaming-Monitors
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/samsung-gaming-monitors-curved-release-date,news-23296.html
http://www.slashgear.com/first-impressions-with-samsungs-newest-curved-gaming-displays-28453438/

Samsung lately has an uncanny talent to release products that just don't meet one fundamental requirement of mine...

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Originally Posted by Neclord06 View Post

the 180hz/240hz panels have complaints over contrast which makes them fairly unappealing to me
Interesting, where have you heard that?

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Originally Posted by Neclord06 View Post

The Samsung gsync 27" with its curve seems very appealing, and running 2560x1080 on it would be very nice as well.
Now you're not talking about the CFG70 anymore, right?
 
#26 ·
If it's a 120Hz panel that was factory-overclocked to 144Hz (such as the Acer XB241H, ASUS PG248Q and the AOC G2460PG and probably many others), then overclocking it beyond that will gradually reduce the contrast more and more and more. I have my XB241H overclocked to 160Hz and that's as much contrast reduction as I am willing to put up with for a higher refresh rate.

However, if the panel is a 180Hz panel natively and it still has a bad contrast, then I'd say we need to wait for PC monitor technologies to improve.

I'd expect 240Hz to be an entirely different kind of animal, but if those have bad contrast too, then again, I'd say we need to wait for PC monitor technologies to improve.
 
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