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I'd say even, on average, if Zen is only 85% to 95% of current Intel IPC, it won't force AMD to price it into oblivion... But that's my worse case prediction.

AMD isn't doing any sort of odd-ball design and cache setups... it will be competitive enough for them to increase sales.
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post #32 of 57
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I'd say even, on average, if Zen is only 85% to 95% of current Intel IPC, it won't force AMD to price it into oblivion... But that's my worse case prediction.

AMD isn't doing any sort of odd-ball design and cache setups... it will be competitive enough for them to increase sales.
85-95% is pretty generous for a worst case. Anything is better than what they have now aka construction cores on a 2012 node.
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"Zen is a starting point" = zen is the end of amd as a company
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If it's even 0.5% slower than the fastest Intel chip it's an earth shattering let-down.
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it will sell like hotcakes.

nope. the fair and balanced tech media will unanimously bury Zen once it comes out to be the disappointment we all know is coming. If it's not at least 10% faster than the comparable Intel offering and 50% cheaper then it's a fail.

EDIT: Also should draw 40% less power than a 6700K.
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Everyone will be having AMD's funeral soon.

Half of this forum will hold a celebration.
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The entire tech industry will celebrate AMD's demise. People will BBQ Radeon cards on the grill(alternatively on a Fermi heatsink), people will buy up all their CPU's after the company has folded to punch holes in and use as key chains and guys will cross dress as Ruby at major conventions. It will be a big party. Linus, Kyle and the entire staff of PCPer will write the official obituary.

The CEO's of NVIDIA, INTEL, Dell, HP, Lenovo and BestBuy will carry the coffin(with Lisa Su inside to be buried alive).

Can't tell if sarcastic, serious, trolling or all of the above.
post #35 of 57
Zen 8-Core needs to beat IVY IPC, Have 8 Core/ 16 T, sell at same price or lower then 6700K and it will be amazing in my book. A lot of people want 8 Core workstation CPU but can't really do that with Intel unless you spend a ton of money with X99 and $1000 with CPU.
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85-95% is pretty generous for a worst case. Anything is better than what they have now aka construction cores on a 2012 node.

People think Intel are some sort of CPU wizards or something.

But they fail to realize how much of a mistake Bulldozer+ CPUs are.

AMD, except with Bulldozer+, had always been on par or better than Intel since the 90s.
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People think Intel are some sort of CPU wizards or something.

But they fail to realize how much of a mistake Bulldozer+ CPUs are.

AMD, except with Bulldozer+, had always been on par or better than Intel since the 90s.

Are you saying you don't think Intel's 2% performance increase each generation that requires a new socket isn't impressive?
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People think Intel are some sort of CPU wizards or something.

But they fail to realize how much of a mistake Bulldozer+ CPUs are.

AMD, except with Bulldozer+, had always been on par or better than Intel since the 90s.

AMD lost right after Athlon 64 to Core 2. PI failed, PII was ok but still not better then Core 2 Quad, Again PII X6 was no match for Core i7 920. Bulldozer was the 'Zen" of that generation.
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Zen 8-Core needs to beat IVY IPC, Have 8 Core/ 16 T, sell at same price or lower then 6700K and it will be amazing in my book. A lot of people want 8 Core workstation CPU but can't really do that with Intel unless you spend a ton of money with X99 and $1000 with CPU.

That's for sure.
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AMD lost right after Athlon 64 to Core 2. PI failed, PII was ok but still not better then Core 2 Quad, Again PII X6 was no match for Core i7 920. Bulldozer was the 'Zen" of that generation.


You are right, the Phenoms and Dozers were no match for Intel. But before that, both company's remained very competitive against each other. Most of AMD's true shortcomings came to be because of Ruiz's negligence and poor business decisions. By the time he was gone, Phenoms were already in play and Bulldozer was on the horizon. I'm actually fairly impressed by the current crew at AMD and their slow climb back into the competitive market.
    
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